Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 December 27

December 27

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 27, 2024.

Check Six

Check Six → Spyro: Enter the Dragonfly (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The source title is ambiguous: it could refer to the game studio (Check Six Studios, which the current target covers), or it could refer to the colloquialism (now covered in Clock position#In media and culture after Special:Diff/1265622848). I'm not sure which target is better. Does WP:DIFFCAPS come into play? PleaseStand (talk) 21:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hatnote at current target {{redirect|Check Six|the expression "check your six"|Clock position}}. I think the current target is correct since Check Six Studios redirects there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tu-166

Tu-166 → Tupolev Tu-116 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"166" is not mentioned at the target; not sure how plausible this redirect is. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 20:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete aside from being a typo for Tu-116, Google suggests this is also a misspelling of Tu-160; so it is ambiguous -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prison music

Prison music → Category:Prison music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The term "prison music" is ambiguous (music about prison, or music from prison?) and being sent to the category to which this redirect targets does not serve the user better than using Search for"Prison music". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree this is more suitable for a search, and the category is a pretty loose collection to begin with. Adumbrativus (talk) 01:04, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luxury homes

Luxury homes → Category:Luxury real estate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 8 § Luxury home – no consensus

Notwithstanding the lack of consensus on the closure of the last RfD of a group of redirects including this one, Luxury homes should have the same target as Luxury home per WP:PLURALPT ("the normal situation is that a plural redirects to its singular, or to wherever its singular redirects", so retarget it to Real estate. Redirects to category space are really not optimal for situations like this, especially when there's a singular version pointing somewhere else, and no reason to ignore the guideline. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per nom for consistency. This could have been done boldly. Jay 💬 16:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I would have done it boldly had it not been the subject of a recent RfD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget should not be cross namespace and should have been speedy if as noted there wasn't a prior RFD that was focusing on other things. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pale Garden

Pale Garden → Minecraft#Gameplay (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The current redirect is the only remotely plausible one in the page history, else I would've probably deleted or draftified. But since it's not mentioned at the target, I'm not sure this works either. Thoughts? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ as clean-up after a blocked disruptive editor. No prejudice against good-faith creation if someone actually thinks such a redirect would be beneficial (as opposed to a red link). --Paul_012 (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to List_of_Minecraft_characters#Creaking, where it is mentioned. Oppose deletion per WP:NOTBURO. Ca ^{talk to me!} 13:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC) Delete The article has been deleted. 07:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is an incredibly poor target, as it's only a passing mention that explains nothing about the term all. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Pale Garden is a place added in the newest update of Minecraft, notable for featuring the newest monster creaking. I think the target provides information about whats the most notable about the place, which is the monster. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I would have thought that the WP:NOTBURO argument would be in support of quickly deleting junk redirects resulting from pages created in bad faith instead of going through huge bureaucratic discussions to find accommodation for them. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Normally my argument would be same as your's, but since I believe the redirect should be kept, enforcing BURO would require pointlessly deletion and restoring/retargetting. Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I did say that there should be a redirect if someone thinks one would be beneficial, and since you do, I'm striking my above !vote. (Though I'm still not quite convinced that's an optimal target.) --Paul_012 (talk) 14:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as wikitrashing. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is a "wikitrashing"? Ca ^{talk to me!} 09:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The practice of inserting irrelevant and unnatural nonsense junk into wikis. It is also known as "wikilittering". 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have never heard that term before, but I'm assuming that it's a synonym for WP:CRUFT User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to List_of_Minecraft_characters#Creaking. I do not agree that this target contains no information about the subject of this redirect. It tells you, 1) It is a biome location in Minecraft. 2) The biome is in greyscale. 3) The biome contains the monster known as "Creaking". There is no further information that is really needed, this says everything we're going to say about the subject, and since we have the information, we should provide it to the user when searched. Fieari (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The above section is now List of Minecraft characters#The Creaking, but it only references "pale garden" once in passing which isn't enough substance to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 20:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The proposed target List of Minecraft characters is listed at AfD, and could be closed in a day.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 15:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

then delete (or return to red if you're feeling feisty) in absence of a good enough target. strong oppose restoring and sending to afd, as it was a pile of copyvios with no reliable sources in sight. i'm pretty sure canonni's reversions in the page history were 50% accidents lol. there's also every chance someone might be looking for something related to the pale king too, i guess consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 19:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarcenet

Sarcenet → Silk (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

an alternate spelling of "sarsenet", a type of silk fabric. unmentioned in the target, though there are mentions of both spellings in other articles (but only two incoming links), and it gets steady views, so maybe there's a more fitting target i'm missing? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget to History_of_science_and_technology_in_Africa#Central_Africa_4, where there's some discussion. J 947 ‡ ^edits 23:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- "Sarcenet" does not mean "silk ribbon", but was a kind of silk fabric used for bed hangings and curtains, reference Clive Edwards, Encyclopedia of Furnishising Textiles (2007), p. 184.Unoquha (talk) 10:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  wowie haha i wonder why you would say that out of the blue like this, i'd hate to be the goober who would make such a predictable mistake. you saw nothing cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the proposed target.
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T Swift

T Swift → Taylor Swift (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:PANDORA is strong with this one. To be more specific, since this is the only "[first-name-initial] [last-name]" redirect I know of, this might potentially lead readers into thinking there's more redirects like this one. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 14:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - nothing wrong with initialisms as long as they aren't ambiguous, which this one isn't. Your personal knowledge of redirects isn't really a criteria for something to be deleted. Example of similar redirects: J. S. Bach, J. F. Gmelin, and others in {{r from short name}}. Pandora isn't a good guideline for multiple reasons and there's frequent enough pushback about it that we should probably have an RFC to pull it sooner or later. BugGhost 🦗👻 15:55, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, ambiguous with Todd Swift and and multiple Tom Swift (disambiguation). Even if it weren't ambiguous, the number of possible First-initial Last-name redirects are very large, and per WP:PANDORA, we shouldn't make (or keep) them unless the person has widely or historically been known in writing by this form of name, such as J. S. Bach, mentioned above. Given the (admittedly depressing) sheer superstardom of Swift, it's hard to see that anyone is going to need this redirect in order to help find her article. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have a gut feeling that out of the options presented here, Taylor Swift is the primary topic by a long margin. Anyway, here's some examples of Taylor Swift being referred to via T initial: T-Swift, T-Swift, T.Swift. BugGhost 🦗👻 19:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your gut feeling "isn't really a criteria for something to be deleted..." ;-) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, you got me there BugGhost 🦗👻 22:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Ambiguous; Taylor Swift isn't known as "T Swift"; and the correctly-stylized T. Swift is red. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...and the even more incorrect T swift is not red. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per BugGhost, this is a popular-enough nickname for Taylor Swift. I disagree with ambiguous arguments because AFAICT it's not notably used for anyone else. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Swift is the primary topic for "T Swift". Doesn't matter that if "T. Swift" or "T-Swift" or what have you is more common, this spelling is used in text and it's completely reasonable way to type it if you hear it. Tag with whatever rcats make sense and move on. PANDORA, which I'm not a fan of, isn't really against this because we've generally accepted having redirects from common nicknames to their most famous user. Skynxnex (talk) 21:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

2015 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships → Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

2016 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships → Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

2018 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships → Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Incorrect redirect. Subject is better off with a red link. The Banner talk 04:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP; the target article displays the medalists from this otherwise non-notable competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So there is no reason for the redirect while it is blocking the creation of an article. The Banner talk 16:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correction, nothing is blocking the article from being created. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete It's blocking a potential article from being made User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 13:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's obscuring creation slightly (by being a blue link rather than a red link), but it's not blocking it. Anyone can just edit the redirect and turn it into an article. BugGhost 🦗👻 16:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have overwritten several redirects with articles about specific FS competitions - see 2025 Italian Figure Skating Championships, for example. The redirects allow for proper display of competitions on FS templates. And considering the season-specific articles for the Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships are up for AFD, it is unlikely that season-specific articles will be written for any of these years. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – WP:RETURNTORED exists to serve the editors of a subject area. If the editors of a subject area want the redirect kept, then it is kept. J 947 ‡ ^edits 00:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Musican" Redirects

Felukah (musican) → Felukah (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
John Johnson (musican) → Simply Red (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jason Freese (musican) → Jason Freese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Bob Harris (musican) → Bob Harris (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Danny Wagner (musican) → Greta Van Fleet (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Matthew Murphy (musican) → Matthew Murphy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Luis Delgado (musican) → Luis Delgado (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Youth (musican and producer) → Youth (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Tony Rogers (musican) → The Charlatans (English band) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jason Jones (musican) → Jason Jones (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Grasshopper (musican) → Grasshopper (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Justin Lanning (musican) → Justin Lanning (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jeanette Lee (musican) → Jeannette Lee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Fronda (Swedish musican) → Fronda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Topic (musican) → Topic (DJ) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Edward cronin, musican → Edward Cronin (musician) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Prior consensus has shown these kinds of redirects should be deleted. ~~the "Felukah" redirect in particular was actually created by me as a page move, so counts towards a G7.~~ Forgot about the whole "page move" clause, my bad
(Just to be clear, I wouldn't object musican if that was a redirect as THESE redirects and previously nominated ones clearly show that at least a FEW people would need to be helped by redirecting musican to the correctly spelled version)

(The Edward one in particular is especially bad as it also has an incorrect disambiguator format) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete these misspellings are all in the disambiguation term, and not in the base term. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete these spelling errors. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all these redirects per nom and above. I'm not sure we still need them, especially since the disambiguators are misspelled. Regards, SONIC 678 22:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete; don't serve a practical purpose. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

unmentioned suikoden characters (episode 2: j-l)

Jeane (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Joshua Levenheit → Suikoden (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Kasim Hazil → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Kasumi (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Kessler (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Killey → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Kraze → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Kun To → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Kwanda Rosman → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Leknaat → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Leon Silverberg → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Lepant → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Lilly Pendragon → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Lorelai (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Lucia (Suikoden) → Suikoden (video game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

re-nominating those after this discussion closed as "if only we knew the suffering that would befall us next", but only by a small chunk at a time. same rationale applies. also, kraze might be vague, but i'm a little iffy on it consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 12:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak retarget "Lilly Pendragon" to Suikoden III where it is mentioned -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate "Killey" there are several non-Suikoden uses of this. [1], such as: Philip G. Killey; Killey River tributary to the Kenai River; Lynne Killey, a founder of Games for Good; John Killey, the last public capital punishment in New Zealand; Killey, an alternate spelling of Killay, County Tyrone; Killey's Hill, Laurel Bank; Ellis Killey who stood for election in the 1996 Manx general election; Jonas Killey, a fictional character from Flash Point (novel); Killey, listed at List of townlands of County Tyrone; Adan Killey, a member of the 2014 Isle of Man cricket team; Erin Killey, a medalist at the 2010 Australian Short Course Swimming Championships; Julie Killey, who was elected in the 2021 Lincolnshire County Council election; Liza Killey, a fictional character from The Bondman (1916 film) and novel it was based on; Julie Elizabeth Killey, who was elected in the 2017 Lincolnshire County Council election; Phillip Killey, who stood in election, see Results of the 1922 New South Wales state election; Quentin Killey, who stood for election in the 2015 South Gloucestershire Council election; -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
drafted, but left out killay (that should be a separate dab, i think), everyone who doesn't have an article of their own, and the fictional characters. a little iffy on adding them, to be honest. yes, i know this leaves the draft with three (3) entries consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 13:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget "Lepant" to Nafpaktos as {{R from former name}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate "Kraze" as there are many uses [2]: Central Florida United Kraze, the soccer team "Kraze"; Kraze, a musician, a member of Whistle (band); Kraze United soccer team; Kraze (Richard Jean Laurent), a musician, a member of Discomind; Kražiai also known as "Kražē"; -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
drafted, though the musicians have been left out as unnotable consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 13:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Repeating some of my votes from the previous RfD. Delete if there is no content worth merging, or restore and AfD for these: Jeane, Kun To, Kwanda Rosman, Leknaat, and Leon Silverberg. Joshua Levenheit has mention at Suikoden#The 27 True Runes. While dealing with or after dealing with Leon Silverberg, we have to settle Mathiu Silverberg (nephew), Odessa Silverberg (niece), Albert Silverberg (grandson), and Caesar Silverberg (grandson). Attempt disambiguation per IP 65 for Killey and Kraze. Retarget Lepant and Lilly Pendragon per IP 65. Delete Lorelai (Suikoden). Retarget Lucia to Suikoden III#Hugo's point of view. Others are {{R from merge}}. Jay 💬 16:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
hopefully gonna draft dabs in a little over 2 hours. until then, do you think the silverberg family should be nominated on its own, separately? consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 19:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
drafted some stuff 3 days later. in my defense, i didn't procrastinate this time, i just thought i already did the thing. will say, though, that i actually disagree with taking them to afd, as they were completely unsourced stubs written in an entirely in-universe style, with no info we'd care about consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 13:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arab Democratic Republic

Arab Democratic Republic → Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I believe the redirect from Arab Democratic Republic to Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic is not appropriate. This redirect targets a specific instance from a general term. Many Arab republics have labeled themselves as democratic, such as the People's Democratic Republic of Yemen and the People's Democratic Republic of Algeria. The redirect should either be deleted or replaced with a disambiguation page. РоманЖ (talk) 10:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment could point to Arab Republic and itemize there -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with the nom: this partial title match is not an appropriate redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think I've ever seen a plain "Arab Democratic Republic" refer to the Sahrawi Republic, but on the other hand googling "Arab Democratic Republic" brings up nothing but the Sahrawi Republic, and if you exclude Sahrawi the results just pop up other spellings of Sahrawi, and so on as you exclude more and more spelling variations till eventually I found a Yemen reference about six exclusions deep. CMD (talk) 04:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is exactly what I initially did before creating this redirect, which is precisely why I created it. Moreover, the Democratic Republic of Algeria is not solely Arab; many Berbers and other non-Arab groups also live there. Yemen, on the other hand, could indeed be referred to as an Arab Republic. Therefore, I now support some form of disambiguation or retargeting to the Arab Republic page, but I still oppose deletion. Cuvaj (talk) 09:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:ED

Wikipedia:ED → Wikipedia:Experimental deletion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It appears that this redirect is mostly used by accident (where the author intends to link to Wikipedia:Edit warring or Wikipedia:Edit summary), and currently links to an obscure deprecated page from Wikipedia's early days. I propose deleting it, since I don't think that there is a clear best alternative target JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 06:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Out of 960 links, over 900 are the result of a mistake in a message template used by VoABot II during a period in 2007. Of the rest, about ⅔ are editor mistakes and the remainder pages with lists of shortcuts. ~~I don't see a particularly good target for this either.~~ — Hex • talk 12:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to the disambiguation page at WP:WikiEd per Liz's suggestion. — Hex • talk 18:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I would have thought it would be for the WP:WikiEd thing -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 18:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did too, that's how I stumbled upon it. JJP_{Mas_ter} (she/they) 19:08, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate – if a two-character shortcut could plausibly refer to many project pages, I think it's better to convert it to a disambiguation page than to delete it. See Category:Wikipedia disambiguation pages for examples. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:57, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate given there are several uses and the target is historical anyway. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like some editors or readers could use this abbreviation to try to reach Wikipedia:WikiEd. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It does make me think of wikEd as well, I think that you've hit a good one here. I'm changing to retarget. — Hex • talk 18:06, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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'DAB: Convert to internal disambiguation page; that way any plausible mistaken use of it can still be puzzled out, instead of just going nowhere. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 04:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm

Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm → Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Can't find any evidence that the song was known by this version of the title. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 14:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, unambiguous and seems plausible enough to me. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:8942:15CC:ACFF:7F04 (talk) 17:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. too many letters. i assume average reader will able to tell the difference between 3 and 5 and want to type less stuff. don't retarget to low (flo rida song) either, as it'll then be missing a set of m's consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 19:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per 2A0E - if a user types this in then it is obvious where they are attempting to go. Redirects don't have to be 100% accurate, and often it is helpful when they aren't. No benefit of deleting - should be kept. BugGhost 🦗👻 09:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I don't think this is ambiguous. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2021 ICC Champions Trophy

2021 ICC Champions Trophy → ICC Champions Trophy#2021 ICC Champions Trophy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Misleading redirect, as there was never planned to be a 2021 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy. As such, there is no information at target article about a 2021 edition. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Week keep: for historical reference I guess... Also information such as it being replaced with T20WC can be mentioned in the page. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nightb***h

Nightb***h → Nightbitch (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Book title is not censored and full name is Nightbitch. Wikipedia is also not censored. Blethering Scot 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Only one hit on Google, so this plausible censoring is not actually in common use. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A little bit on the fence about this one, because the one instance of the term being censored was regarding the film (see above), but ultimately it's plausible here too so keep. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 23:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom's statement. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete as implausible censoring. just say "b*tch" if you're that worried about the fuck words. of course, this means i'd consider "nightb*tch" to be a plausible redirect. don't you hate it when your stay at home wife sometimes transforms into a dog? that happened to my buddy eric once, and his week was ruined cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't consider "b***h" to be implausible though Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it certainly is on the more niche side of censorings. maybe down there with "fu*k" and "a*s" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fu*k has a redirect, so it's not really obscure Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ow my consonants cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Plausible censoring. Wikipedia is not censored, but a redirect is not content, it's a navigation aid. The fact that wikipedia is not censored doesn't mean our users necessarily know that, or that they won't self-censor themselves, or copy a search term from someone else who does. WP:CHEAP applies. Fieari (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. We're not censored and shouldn't encourage any misguided notion that we'll de-censor self-censored search terms. If something's citeably referred to in censored fashion, that's different. The play Shopping and Fucking was frequently referred to in the media as "Shopping and F***ing", for example (e.g.), and that would be a legitimate redirect title. I'm kind of surprised that Shopping and F***ing doesn't already exist, now that I've looked for it. — Hex • talk 16:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep redirecting a redacted version to the non-censored version is pretty much the opposite of censorship. I did a new simple google search for "Nightb***h" and found that the Daily Mail has used it in two video posts and three articles, so it's very possible someone will search Wikipedia for that exact title. Skynxnex (talk) 21:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep as currently unambiguous on Wikipedia per this wildcard search ... which was quite surprising, but it is what it is. Steel1943 (talk) 07:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Fieari. People who are citing NOTCENSORED are not grasping what's happening here - a user is typing in a word containing "b***h" and getting taken to an article with the word "bitch" - this is the opposite of censorship. This particular spelling is used online and unambigious - should be kept. BugGhost 🦗👻 09:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a plainly useful redirect. Here is an example of a source using this spelling. Tag with Template:R from bowdlerization. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Transphobia in the US House of Representatives

Transphobia in the US House of Representatives → Protecting Women's Private Spaces Act (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I feel like this is a broader topic, a bit misleading to target it to a specific instance. Jay Cubby 19:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template - {{R from possibilites}} - it may develop into a broad topic, or research may be able to be done now, but no broader topic exists rn. Barnt Toust 21:03, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or develop into an independent article. Basically there's no reason to delete the redirect as long as the broader article doesn't exist. Simonm223 (talk) 22:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:WTAF, and specifically oppose any sort of justification with the possibilities template. It might very well be a fine topic for an article, but redirecting to a specific bill is pretty inappropriate. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The bill is not called "Transphobia in the US House of Representatives" by any people. I agree with 35.139. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template as a redirect with possibilities. The broader topic has possibilities for development, but for now the target article cites reliable sources that indicate the topic has been noteworthily identified as a case of transphobia/anti-trans bigotry in the United States House of Representatives. If it is not templated, keep. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 04:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This should be an article (or, at least, Transphobia in the United States Congress should), but barring that, delete per 35.139.154.158. charlotte ^👸🎄 00:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. WP:RETURNTORED at best until an article is written. Implausible/politically motivated nudging at worst, per WP:R#DELETE. No objection to a broader article being written if sufficient coverage exists. --Animalparty! (talk) 03:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A user searching this term is unlikely to want the specific bill and more likely to be searching for an article on this subject. Support recreation of a full article per above. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 11:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Transphobia in the United States, to the "Government actions" section if needed. In addition to the Private Spaces Act, it also mentions, In mid-July, the GOP in the US House of Representatives supported bills that would target transgender athletes with the "Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act" sponsored by Greg Steube. The mention of transphobia in the House in the broader Transphobia in the U.S. article makes the latter a valid redirect target. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget somewhere, as the current target is clearly too narrow. Transphobia in the United States, as suggested by User:Rotideypoc41352, seems like the most suitable target to me. Deletion would also be fine. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rehabilitation (addiction)

Rehabilitation (addiction) → Drug rehabilitation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Drug addictions are not the only kind of addictions^{[citation needed]}, nor is drug rehabilitation the only kind of addiction rehabilitation out there. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Treatment and management of addiction; in addition to one mention in the article text itself, at least two sources quoted in the References section use the word. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neon cat

Neon cat → Nyan Cat (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No proof that "Neon cat" is used as a misspelling for Nyan Cat, I mostly find neon signs showcasing cats and a non-notable [Simulator] pet User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak redirect to Ray cat, which covers the concept of glowing cats. Second preference is delete. BugGhost 🦗👻 10:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless someone can find evidence that the term "neon cat" is used to refer to something that we have a relevant article for. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Mx. Granger. — Hex • talk 22:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects to Antarctica and Arctic Ocean

89th parallel north → Arctic Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

88th parallel north → Arctic Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

87th parallel north → Arctic Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

86th parallel north → Arctic Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 89 degrees N → Arctic Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 88 degrees N → Arctic Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 87 degrees N → Arctic Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 86 degrees N → Arctic Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 85 degrees N → Arctic Ocean (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 89 degrees S → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 88 degrees S → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 87 degrees S → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 86 degrees S → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 85 degrees S → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 84 degrees S → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 83 degrees S → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 82 degrees S → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Latitude 81 degrees S → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

89th parallel south → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

88th parallel south → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

87th parallel south → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

86th parallel south → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

85th parallel south → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

84th parallel south → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

83rd parallel south → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

82nd parallel south → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

81st parallel south → Antarctica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I personally think it is unnecessary. Psycho CSL (talk) 05:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Psycho CSL: Please expand your nomination rationale. Simply stating that something is "unnecessary" is not a valid reason for deletion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for merging those pages. I haven't deleted such a large number of pages at once before, so I didn't realize I needed to merge them. I'll be more careful next time. My reason for deletion was that if I search for a specific latitude, I'm more likely to want to know what's on that latitude, rather than being redirected to another article. I'm not very good at English, so I may not have been able to explain my thoughts well. For example, for latitudes 81°S to 89°S, I don't think I would want to be redirected to the same article every time I search for one. While I understand other perspectives, I still think having separate articles would be more user-friendly. But if everyone agrees to keep the redirects, I'm fine with that.--Psycho CSL (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After further thought, the more important point is that the Antarctica article doesn't actually cover information about those latitudes.--Psycho CSL (talk) 02:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus Christ, CSL, PLEASE bundle these kinds of RfDs next time.

Onto the actual vote itself, weak keep per WP:CHEAP and that Antarctica is indeed 89 degrees south on the latitude scale User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Probably should group these, but in any case, for all it seems better to redirect to Circle of latitude. CMD (talk) 05:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bundled all of these redirects that were nominated separately by Psycho CSL. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep These redirects were created to provide completeness for all of the other line of latitude articles, e.g. 13th parallel north. These ones don't warrant their own articles, being entirely within the Arctic Ocean or Antarctica - there's not really anything useful that could be said about them, but per WP:CHEAP, redirects to Arctic Ocean or Antarctica at least gives readers an idea of where they are should they be searched for. Redirects to Circle of latitude, as suggested above, would be OK but not really precise enough for my liking. Bazonka (talk) 09:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Bazonka and Someone - these are cheap, accurate redirects that fill the purpose of completing the set of line of latitude articles. Deleting would encourage making articles that aren't necessary, a redirect is better.

Thanks cyclone for fixing the RFD listings. Psycho CSL if you need to nominate lots of RFD's again I'd recommend using massXFD, which makes bundling a lot quicker, and makes the resulting listing/notifications simpler. BugGhost 🦗👻 10:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all. 1) Wikipedia is not an atlas. While we may have articles about countries and things that you do find in an atlas, it's not meant to be a database dump of what countries cross what arbitrary lines of latitude/longitude. There's nothing inherently interesting about breaking up by integer values of degrees; this is a task more suited to a program that has geographic data and can convert any such line of longitude or latitude into such a list automatically. 2) Even if you want these for completeness, the ones we do have are part of a series, and these are not, so WP:REDYES applies. We shouldn't have these redirects to cover up the fact that these parts of the series don't exist. Furthermore, there's absolutely no reason why the series has to be complete at all. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I forgot to add that these tend to be ambiguous. Why Arctic ocean and not Arctic ice sheet or simply Arctic? Similar concerns exist in the south. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The lines of latitude and longitude articles have been taken to AFD several times before and they've always been kept. This Redirects for Discussion page is not the appropriate place to discuss them, but feel free to raise them at AFD yet again if you must. In any case, there is nothing in WP:NOT that mentions atlases, and of course there are thousands of articles about geographical locations.

Regarding your comments about the Arctic ice sheet, this is not fixed in place, and (especially with the future effects of global warming) parts of the parallels might go over open ocean, thereby making a redirect to Arctic ice sheet not necessarily correct. The ice sheets are in the Arctic Ocean, so redirects to Arctic Ocean will always be correct, whether the parallels pass over ice or open water. I'm not sure what "similar concerns exist in the south" really means – these parallels are entirely on the continent of Antarctica. A redirect to Antarctica is therefore more precise than a link to Antarctic which covers seas that these parallels don't pass through. Bazonka (talk) 21:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all per above comments. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]