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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:04, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Canadian football

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Broad topic, 12-year old abandoned-draft portal. Suggest WP:TNT.

This portal as created[1] in September 2007‎ by John Carter (talk · contribs), who later gained a long block log for disruption before indef-blocked in February 2018. The initial formatting was done the next month by Heqs (talk · contribs) who has not edited since 2008.

So far as I can see, it has remained an manual portal with subpages since its creation, and was never converted to the deprecated single-navbox-based automated format.

The list of subpages at Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Canadian football shows one of each type of subpage: one selected article, one selected bio, one selected panoramic picture, and one DYK page. Note two oddities:

That's all. So despite the pretty formatting, this is not a portal; it's just one short static page with no topic list and no rotation of content. Just a short one-sided flier.

Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But as is often the case with neglected portals, this one is just a degraded mainpage.

Canadian football is clearly a broad topic, so in theory it satisfies the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". This one clearly has not attracted maintainers, but that could change.

However, there's nothing here worth building on. Anyone building a new portal would do much better to start afresh, possibly using as model something like the excellent Portal:Geophysics recently renovated by @RockMagnetist.

So I propose that this portal and its sub-pages be deleted per WP:TNT, without prejudice to recreating a curated portal in accordance with whatever criteria the community may have agreed at that time. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Neutral. I'm rather torn in this case. On the one hand, I agree that it's not much more than a glorified article about the CFL. On the other hand, it has received some love and attention in the past year or so (although it doesn't mention the current Champions - a basic sort of topic), and it's a broader subject than York Region or Niagara Falls, portals for which I have voted against recently. My deletion-meter is tilting toward 'delete', but for the time being I'll be Switzerland. PKT(alk) 00:54, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • @PKT: the attention it has received has all been tweaking. No content selection or links has been added. So I don't see what there is to preserve, and this is a proposal to allow re-creation if anyone wants to build an actual portal rather than a shell.
I personally suspect that is unlikely, because as even TTH noted last week, two newish features of Wikipedia render most portals redundant:
  1. mouseover: for ordinary readers who are not logged in, mouseover on any of the linked list items shows you the picture and the start of the lead. So the preview-selected page-function of portals is redundant: something almost as good is available automatically on any navbox or other set of links
  2. automatic imagery galleries: for ordinary readers who are not logged in, clinking on an image brings up an image gallery of all the images on that page. It's full-screen, so it's actually better than even a click-for-next image gallery on a portal
You may not have seen those features, but try right-clicking on the head article Canadian football, select "view in private window" or "view in incognito window", and you try it for yourself. This redundancy is why I think it's unlikely that anyone will rescue this portal, and that's why I believe that leaving it in place leaves a v high probability that it will be a zombie.
Meanwhile, enjoy that alpine spring. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - This is not a slideshow but a slide, and is another work (to the extent that there was work) by a banned user. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:04, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • My apologies BHG. I moved all the subpages in question to subpages of Portal:Sports in Canada because that one was a much broader topic. I fumbled around though and had to request a histmerge. There was no redirects. Pretty much over the course of this portal it received three-to-four updates. I realized shortly after this I was not qualified to salvage old-style portals. Too many subpages and too many conflicting styles. (edit conflict) –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 02:11, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks, @MJL. No problem, and nothing to apologise for: it was all done in good faith, and was probably a good way to try ti rescue something out of this. I just thought that I should point out the recent changes as an exception to the years of abandonment. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:40, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nominator. No prejudice against recreation in the future if an active editor is willing to reformat and maintain it in accordance with current portal practices. Bearcat (talk) 18:36, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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