Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/National Trails System/archive1

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National Trails System

Featured list candidates/National Trails System/archive1

Nominator(s): Reywas92^Talk 04:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article was originally just wikilinks to the trails, and there were three separate pages with simple tables for the scenic trails, historic trails, and recreation trails. I suppose I could have gotten a couple FLs and a couple GAs out of that, but sources mainly cover the system as a whole and I thought they'd be better presented together (as I do for many topics), so here they all are with descriptions, history, and details! Learned a ton of history reading way further into these than I needed to to write a few sentences each. I've hiked segments of five NSTs and a handful of NRTs and been to historic sites on five NHTs and the NGT, but now I need to see some more (Ala Kahakai next month!). My other open nomination is ready to be closed, and I appreciate your comments. Reywas92^Talk 04:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

"Due to extent of construction of route realignments" => "Due to the extent of construction of route realignments"?
Under El Camino Real de los Tejas, I suggest wikilinking proselytization, as it's quite an obscure word (I only know what it means because my son learnt about it in an RE lesson literally a few days ago and asked me if I knew what it meant. I didn't ;-) )
"Native Americans whose land they intruded" => "Native Americans upon whose land they intruded"
"Six year into the Revolutionary War" => "Six years into the Revolutionary War"
That's all I got. Fabulous work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:18, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- All done, thanks! Reywas92^Talk 17:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:17, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

The table needs a caption (e.g. "| National Scenic Trails" or, if you'd prefer it to only show for screen reader software, "| {{sronly|National Scenic Trails}}"
Trail photos need alt text
--Pres N 03:27, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ugh I knew that!

Reywas92^Talk 19:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass

Doing now. Aza24 (talk) 23:13, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting

You have Washington, D.C. for ref 12 but not the others—should be for all or none
generally all caps should be avoided for titles (ref 51)

Reliability

No issues

Verifiability

(optional) Recommend archiving links with the bot
Seems fine in general Aza24 (talk) 23:23, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Y I'll look into how to call the bot. Thanks! Reywas92^Talk 00:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Pass for source review. By the way, the bot is super easy to use if you're interested. Just go to "view history" — "fix dead links" — (you might have to login here) — "Add archives to all non-dead references" and "analyze". Aza24 (talk) 22:42, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley

Links to external sites in main text are forbidden and should be changed to citations.
- You mean the laws? Those are built into a template rather than citation formats and are permitted.

But Template:UnitedStatesCode says "This template links to an external site, the Cornell University Law School U.S. Code database. External links should not normally be used in the body of an article". Nikkimaria can you advise please? Dudley Miles (talk) 11:09, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct, ELs are not normally used inline. However, there has been some discussion around using this particular template as an exception to that rule. Nikkimaria (talk) 12:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think that in this case the templates for the acts should be moved to be citations. As things stand, the last two sentences of this paragraph are unreferenced. Do the acts support the second to last sentence? Dudley Miles (talk) 13:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through the uses of this template it's very widely used inline, which I think is a reasonable exception to what is normal. I moved both to footnotes though, but further guidance about the use of these may be warranted. Yes, that sentence is supported by section 1244. Reywas92^Talk 14:12, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Since 1968, over forty trail routes have been studied for inclusion in the system." I would leave this out. It is the trails actually created which are of interest to the reader.
- I do believe this is relevant because these studies are ordered by Congress as part of the National Trails System Act and are part of the process for creation, with a study ordered before full designation (though some did not receive that [yet]). It could be worded in better context though.
"Most of the trails are continuous non-motorized long-distance trails". This implies that some are open to motor vehicles. It would be helpful to give an indication of how many, if available.
- An IP just changed that last month and I don't know why... Done.
"this trail dating to the 1920s sees around a thousand thru-hikers each year,". No change needed, but do you know the standard time it takes to do the whole trail?
- About six months, I know someone who's done it and someone on the trail now!
"They represent the earliest travels in the country in Chesapeake Bay and on Spanish royal roads". Presumably only the earliest by people of European origin?
- Ah yes; I just somewhat changed what was there before I started but have added "European".
"Associated sites along the trail, extended in 2019 to include their preparation along the Ohio River, include their starting point Camp Dubois near Gateway Arch National Park". The second "include" looks wrong to me. I would delete it.
- Ah no, the middle part of that is a separate clause: Camp Dubois, etc. wasn't part of the extension, which only included their preparation trip. Changed the first one to "encompass" if that's clearer.
So no trails follow traditional native American routes?
- No, two do: Natchez Trace NST and Ala Kahakai NHT.
A first rate list. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:09, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you! Reywas92^Talk 23:55, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I think it would be better to move the templates for the acts to citations, keeping to the rule of no external links in main text, but it is not a deal breaker. Dudley Miles (talk)

Image review

Lots of images, but most are from Flickr or uploaded by the commons user.

File:Yorktown VA NPS 18-pdr cannon.jpg and File:US National Trails System, 50th Anniversary map.jpg – should probably have {{PD-USGov-NPS}} rather than {{PD-USGov}}
File:NRT Logo.gif – It is a copyrighted file with Non-free media use rationale. It seems to meet the 10 Non-free content criteria policy. I'll suggest to add these links in source of the rationale (1, 2)
Rest all images are fine. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 03:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done Thanks, Reywas92^Talk 14:38, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seems good to me. Pass for image licencing. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 04:28, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie891

Support on prose. I made minor tweaks, but this is top-notch work, IMO. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 20:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Reywas92^Talk 14:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:05, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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