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Endorse Explanation I did not know this discussion was taking place until today, which happens to be the 16th of January, in the Land of Oz. Since I was the person who discussed the pic in detail, and added it to the list of Leonardo's works, I am ignoring the fact that the discussion is closed, because my statement on this is of considerable relevance. (Clarification: the work that was under discussion is not the drawing of a head of Christ. It is a painting, with Jesus in a similar position to that which he has in two of Maineri's paintings, and which also includes tormentors that are not present in the Maineri works.)
Why this is not a work by Leonardo
NOTE Each of these statements concerning the painting "Christ carrying the Cross" constitutes either OR or POV (you can choose). These statements have not been published elswhere by me, and cannot be quoted or cited in the wikipedia articles. They have been put here so that other wikipedia editors might understand why it is that Leonardo experts are not bothering to comment on this work. All the experts on Leonardo already know the stuff that I have written here, and have simply dismissed the painting. That is why you won't find reputable art historians refuting the attribution. No one is taking it seriously. In other words, I wouldn't bother getting too worried at the thought that something of real significance has been deleted. Amandajm (talk) 11:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
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I believe that the wrong Standard for Deletion was applied i.e. Notability was consistently given as the reason in conversation with editors/administrators; However in the delete log CSD#A7 is given as the reason. It is precisely this standard which I believe constitutes the reason why it should be restored. That said I am more than willing to revise the content to ensure that it reflects these requirements and successfully meets these standards. Great pain was taken to ensure that there was no bias, conflict of interest or "marketing" given; however, I do recognize that the work may need revision in order to allay these concerns as well as a comment made about link spamming or something of that nature by one of the moderators. I make no claims for complete understanding of grammar, etiquette or the intricacies of wikipedia posts, so any errors in these areas I apologize for and will take whatever corrective action/revisions necessary. The primary history is found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheMadFam It is my belief that if given the opportunity we can revise our article to meet the standard of 'important' or 'significant.' In fact, while not clearly stated as such I believe the basics for this are already in the article in reference to being the first web 2.0 site of this kind, versus the historical sites which have been more along the lines of web 1.0. I can only go so far in that we have patent pending technology & trade secrets that we must protect; but I will certainly go right up to the line on it. As an aside I am formally requesting that information pertaining to the minimum threshold or standard for 'notability' specified and given i.e. the number of links required, sources, and any other qualifying quantifiable measure. Thank you for your time and consideration. –RE:Smashville pt 1. Respectfully, the site does exist as stated in article Alpha_release going to Beta Release on Monday January 19, 2009. It should be noted that gmail is currently a 'Beta' release. With respect to pt 2 please same reasons apply. It exists and will be seen in move to beta. –RE:Cameron Scott. I give Mea Culpa for not indicating "why its subject is important or significant." The article as posted clearly has room for improvement in addressing these points as alluded to in my prior post. I would like it noted that the premise for deletion was given by Smashville as lacking in notability and the person before him/her for the same reason chiefly defined as a lack of links when googled. This I do not dispute. There is a lack of information out there, precisely why I felt a entry into wikipedia was warranted. Now as far as external sources, chiefly defined as some kind of Award, AP story, etc.; not having been presented as reference s/he is correct. However, I cite the following: Internet guides. "Wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers, but should describe the site in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance, which can be significantly more up-to-date than most reference sources since we can incorporate new developments and facts as they are made known. See current events for examples." It is my belief that is a current event, the movement of a field (job boards) from what is essentially a web 1.0 brochure site with a post and pray mantra to a true 2.0 experience where community is incorporated is an event and I suggest the following excerpt & quote from Wikipedia#History stated here "Jimmy Wales has described Wikipedia as "an effort to create and distribute a free encyclopedia of the highest possible quality to every single person on the planet in their own language" and furthermore in footnote 107 [18] that "If anything, we are *extremely* elitist but anti-credentialist." We may not have clearly met the credentials that you are suggesting we need, but I submit that we do in totality. With regards to Smashville consistent reference to non-existence, I am willing to supply screen shots of the site if requested. TheMadFam (talk) 01:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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Jaafar Aksikas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) AfD closed as no consensus (default keep), but opinion counts may have been compromised by socks and SPAs, and I believe that the unaddressed challenges to arguments in "keep" !votes were not properly taken into account by the closing admin. Said admin concurs in listing the case at DRV. Proposing overturn. Hqb (talk) 21:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
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There was some misinterpretation of copyright laws regarding this image. This image was originally contained in the article Monroney sticker. First of all, it was deleted under Wikipedia:CSD#I9 which should not have been used given that it was a self made photo. But that's not the real issue here. This document is not subject to copyright as it is simply a collection of information. See Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service for a legal opinion. There is minimal prose contained within and what is in there is required per the Monroney law. Thus it is essentially in the public domain. If people do think that there is something problematic, please be specific in pointing it out. Analogue Kid (talk) 20:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
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Jock Sanders (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) No real discusson took place from college football project members. If so, we would have quickly pointed out that the subject in question has over 17,600 google hits which is at least an indicator of notability, and has some impressive statistics for only being a sophomore. There's a lot of press on this guy. Further, the deleting admin shows an unawareness of the topic that calls for a specialist to review. I'd like the AfD re-opened and asked for that here but the admin refused. Paul McDonald (talk) 15:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
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უმაღლესი ლიგა (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD)) Article with text was deleted under CSD-A2; a similar article already exists at Georgian Wikipedia, except it only contains an infobox and no text. Temporary undelete so text can be transwikied to ka:wikiSynchronism (talk) 09:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
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