Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 October 4
October 4
editCategory:Child friendly video games
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining trait and appears to be based on OR/Synth. Additionally, the subcategories are wrong. Non-violent and nonkilling video games can be VERY child non-friendly. -- ferret (talk) 20:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom and lower 2 submissions. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 20:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Same thing could be said the other way. Games can be child friendly but be violent and have killing (For example the entire Splatoon franchise which involves ink guns and weapons). ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:03, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom. Overly vague and subjecting to the point of not being helpful. Sergecross73 msg me 20:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - How would you even define "child friendly" as there are no international standards for it. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete – per nom. There's no defined standard for a child-friendly video game (ESRB/PEGI/whatever ratings? RSes?) and as such this requires OR. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 20:50, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Undefined, overly broad, and OR. oknazevad (talk) 20:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - OR, Synth, and very subjective. Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 07:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Soft redirect, using Template:Category redirect, to Category:Software for children, as this is a somewhat plausible seeming category name that may be searched for, and it would be more helpful to send people towards the more appropriately named existing category than to delete it entirely. silviaASH (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 16:59, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Nonkilling video games
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Basically the same as the rationale for deleting nonviolent video games below. They certainly don't both need to exist as the entries would be nearly identical. WPscatter t/c 19:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete For the same reason as | This entry. Extremely broad topic that would be Over catagorization and redundant. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:57, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Overly broad, non-defining, and requires OR/SYNTH to populate. -- ferret (talk) 20:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per ferret. Sergecross73 msg me 20:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and ferret. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete NOTDEF and overly broad. What use is putting Tetris, Sonic, and Myst? EvergreenFir (talk) 20:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per others. Not appropriate for a category. oknazevad (talk) 20:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and because such a categorization would require OR. (edit conflict) dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 20:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete OR, synth, and subjective category. Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 07:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete This one's at least a little less subjective than "child-friendly" and "non-violent" (though I imagine it still has a significant gray area). Still, it's generally unnecessary to categorize things by what they aren't, when they were never assumed to be that in the first place. Ionmars10 (talk) 00:29, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete because it's pretty much just a category with a selection of random games. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 00:31, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete useless category, currently only houses Sonic the Hedgehog titles which are not strictly "non-killing" anyway silviaASH (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 16:44, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Nonviolent video games
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary as a video game should be assumed to be non-violent by default. There's also no Category:Violent video games (I know that's technically WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS however if this category exists it would make sense for the opposite one to exist) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Most platform games are violent (the enemies are killed when the player jumps on them for example). Also, the article nonviolent video game exists for a reason, just create Category:Violent video games. We could also add Category:Child friendly video games (that would include Super Mario). --Bawanio (talk) 19:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Apologies if this is an inappropriate nomination btw. I'm currently looking through all stuff relating to categories to try and understand what should and shouldn't be a category but this doesn't seem to fall under one that should be kept or deleted from what I"m finding. If I'm not finding the right thing please link me to it and I will withdraw my nom. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Some of these games can be very violent, like when I
accidentallymake a 20-car pileup in Euro Truck Sim 2 :)[Joke] dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 19:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)- That's a lot easier to do than you may think. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:35, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Most platform games are violent (the enemies are killed when the player jumps on them for example). Also, the article nonviolent video game exists for a reason, just create Category:Violent video games. We could also add Category:Child friendly video games (that would include Super Mario). --Bawanio (talk) 19:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- SNOW Strong Delete. Way too broad, Would cover half of all articles in WP:VG. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Oh good I wasn't wrong thinking that this was too broad. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- I disagree that it's to broad: Software articles have category Category:Proprietary software or Category:Free software. --Bawanio (talk) 19:58, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Overly broad, non-defining, and requires OR/SYNTH to populate. -- ferret (talk) 20:01, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - not sure such a vague, subjective category is a good idea. At the very least, the creator needs to slow down with its application. I've already found a bunch of poorly applied ones. (Like Arcade soccer games that allow you to check characters onto the ground or into an electric fence. That's decidedly violent.) Sergecross73 msg me 20:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- The quick application was what alerted me to this. They added this category to Splatoon which is the complete opposite of the entire franchise. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 20:05, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- I added the category by mistake but it was reverted, so don't worry. And I will not add the categories to more articles, I'm happy with the demonstration. --Bawanio (talk) 20:07, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Is Pong violent? How about Freecell with its Suicidal King? EvergreenFir (talk) 20:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- See Nonviolent_video_game#Traditionally_non-violent_games --Bawanio (talk) 20:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Way too broad by a long shot. oknazevad (talk) 20:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete OR, synth, and subjective category. Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 07:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete "Nonviolent" is a loaded word and is subject to opinion. As an example, are American Football games violent? Some people might say it is an inherently violent sport that should be banned. Others might say that, since it doesn't involve intent to harm other players, it's fine. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:24, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete "Nonviolent" is way too vague to be useful for categorization. Ionmars10 (talk) 00:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Ionmars10. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 00:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete However, I believe that this purpose can be served better by a reliably sourced List of "non-violent" video games, which may restrict itself to games often described by reliable sources as "non-violent," similar to how such lists as List of video games considered the best or List of controversial video games are handled. It would be inappropriate to handle such information in the form of Category: Best video games, for example. But as a sourced list article, it may have value. silviaASH (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 16:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Ghaznavid historians
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Category:Moors
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- The result of the discussion was: dabify. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: the content of this category are a hodgepodge of rather unrelated topics, partly a matter of WP:SHAREDNAME. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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- Support. Absolutely. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:American anti–illegal immigration activists
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Category:Songs with music by Ahmed Imtiaz Bulbul
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Both of the members of this category have been written, words and music, by Bilbul, therefore as a writer of songs, more applicable to have him in the written by category Richhoncho (talk) 15:46, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Richhoncho He was the music producer of those songs in that category. I support renaming.FaysaLBinDaruL (talk) 16:27, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Voiceless stops
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Only subcategory of Category:Voiceless oral consonants by a specific manner of articulation, and no corresponding Category:Voiced plosives category either. This just makes the speech sounds category tree harder to navigate in my opinion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:21, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- You can create Category:Voiced plosives. Apokrif (talk) 14:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- I stated my point of view that I feel like this hinders navigation, so I am not going to. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- How does it hinder navigation? Apokrif (talk) 01:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
- I stated my point of view that I feel like this hinders navigation, so I am not going to. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I feel like this really calls for more categorization rather than less. Let's get some Category:Voiceless fricatives and Category:Voiced trills categories. VanIsaac, LLE contWpWS 15:59, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- I don't see the point of this: as a reader, I find seeing the pair of the voiced and voiceless consonant somewhere close to each other in the same category quite useful. (Neglecting the fact that Category:Trill consonants has a total of 13 members anyway.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:49, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
- You can create Category:Voiced plosives. Apokrif (talk) 14:40, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Emigrants from the United States to British India
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- The result of the discussion was: merge; in the light of the CFD below this one, this will also be merged to Category:Immigrants to British India (for the record, the current member of the category is Satyananda Stokes). – Fayenatic London 21:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic for the only article in the category about an American women who first toured through British India, then continued to tour through Europe. She only settled in India for permanent after it was no longer "British" India. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:37, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment -- My friend of Indian descent frequently tells me about how important American missionaries were. Populate if possible. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:45, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, I moved the first article back to the parent Category:American emigrants to India and found one other article there that fits Category:Emigrants from the United States to British India better. It is not quite about a missionary but rather about someone who ultimately converted to Hinduism. Presumably most American missionaries did not stay in India as an immigrant. So this leaves a smallcat that may better be merged to its parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:41, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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- Merge for Now to Category:American emigrants to India. No conceptual problem with this category but it doesn't seem to have been part of a demographic trend so growth is limited. No objection to recreating later if I'm wrong and this gets up to 5 articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire to British India
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Immigrants to British India and Category:Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire. – Fayenatic London 21:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic for the only article in the category about someone who apparently lived in India for only a year and then moved on to the UK. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:32, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Populate David Sassoon ought also tom be in the category. They were Jewish merchants from Baghdad who moved to India. Is this unique? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:49, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
- Ok, I purged the first article and moved two others (including David Sassoon) from Category:Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire to India to Category:Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire to British India. That leaves the former category empty and leaves the latter category a smallcat. Under these circumstances I would suggest merging it to the parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:20, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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Oppose as the category has since been populated and nominator's rationale has been made obsolete. — Mugtheboss (talk) 06:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Meanwhile a different proposal is on the table, namely to merge. A discussion may move in a different direction than as nominated without invalidating the discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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- Merge as per explanation in previous vote and Marco's subsequent reply. — Mugtheboss (talk) 19:42, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Dual Upmerge for Now This appears too rare to have a non-small category. If I'm wrong and it ever gets to 5 articles though, by all means recreate. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Writers about psychopathy
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Writers about psychopathy to Category:Writers on psychopathy
- Nominator's rationale: "Writers about psychopathy" doesn't seem to make sense to me. ★Trekker (talk) 15:30, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Psychopathy writers to match the parent category. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Psychopathy writers per Pppery. This is the dominant form in Category:Writers by non-fiction subject area. Oculi (talk) 16:46, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Woman, Life, Freedom Wikipedians
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Category:Wikipedia Sleptican
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate joke/nonsense user category * Pppery * it has begun... 13:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- I only want to have a category of support this joke’s guys. You can delete this page, but can you not delete it? PMan8504 (talk) 15:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- This comment makes absolutely no sense and nobody is entitled to a category for anything * Pppery * it has begun... 16:15, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- I only want to have a category of support this joke’s guys. You can delete this page, but can you not delete it? PMan8504 (talk) 15:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, this is not contributing to user collaboration. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Shankargb (talk) 12:13, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Parishes of Europe / America
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Category:People associated with religion
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:People associated with religion to Category:People involved in religion
- Nominator's rationale: rename as more specific. In addition the current title goes against WP:OCASSOC. If this proposal gets support, perhaps other "People by association" categories can be renamed too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom, though "involved in religion" might be somewhat vague as well The Midnite Wolf (talk) 23:05, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Translators of religions
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Translators of religions to Category:Translators of religious texts
- Nominator's rationale: More specific The Midnite Wolf (talk) 04:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support Religions are not religious texts. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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People from the Carolingian Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:9th-century people from the Carolingian Empire to Category:People from the Carolingian Empire
- Propose merging Category:9th-century writers of the Carolingian Empire to Category:Writers from the Carolingian Empire
- Propose renaming Category:9th-century historians from the Carolingian Empire to Category:Historians from the Carolingian Empire
- Nominator's rationale: merge/rename, the Carolingian Empire lasted from 800 to 888. This is fully within the 9th century so we do not need a 9th-century subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:13, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Merge all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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Organizations designated as terrorist by continent
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in Africa to Category:Organizations based in Africa designated as terrorist
- Propose renaming Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in Asia to Category:Organizations based in Asia designated as terrorist
- Propose renaming Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in Europe to Category:Organizations based in Europe designated as terrorist
- Propose renaming Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in Latin America to Category:Organizations based in Latin America designated as terrorist
- Propose renaming Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in North America to Category:Organizations based in North America designated as terrorist
- Propose renaming Category:Organizations designated as terrorist in South America to Category:Organizations based in South America designated as terrorist
- Nominator's rationale: rename to reduce ambiguity. The current category titles may also be read as e.g. "Organizations designated as terrorist by some countries in Africa" but that is not the intention of these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:48, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Rename all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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