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February 22

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People from Thessaloniki (regional unit)

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, this concerns categorization by 3rd and 4th level administrative divisions of Greece, leading to a endless series of single-article or 2-article categories. The proposal is to merge to 2nd level administrative division, except cities and larger towns, in this case except Thessaloniki (325,000 people). This is follow-up on this earlier nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. These categories are for small villages and settlements (most with only a small number of residents) and are unlikely to ever have many articles within them. They can be recreated on an as needed basis if there ends up being "enough" articles to populate them. Until then, this merger makes sense to me. Grk1011 (talk) 15:04, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Birds

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 6#Birds

Category:Russian Empire Azerbaijani people

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 6#Category:Russian Empire Azerbaijani people

Category:Characters in animated films

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The result of the discussion was: merge both into a new Category:Animated characters in film. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge and rename, duplicate category with the same scope. The nominated page is older, so should be moved over the target page. – Fayenatic London 11:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:How-to

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The result of the discussion was: merge. I have removed the articles (like Screenwriting) which are not handbooks or manuals. How-to looks like it will be deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:32, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a poorly defined category based on a poorly written OR article. It should likely be merged to Category:Handbooks and manuals which has a much more clear title and scope. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:09, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Manuals and gazetteers of India

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:29, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The word 'manual' as used in this category is confusing (rare meaning) and does not fit into any category tree. Settting aside we probably need Category:Manuals, the parent category is just Category:Gazetteers not Category:Manuals and gazetteers (good) and this should be fixed for consistency anyway. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pokémon video game screenshots

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match category tree established by Category:Screenshots of video games. (Oinkers42) (talk) 04:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Members of the Royal Red Cross and Bar

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:27, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 
South Africa Medal with 5 "bars".
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT but not WP:OCAWARD)
The Royal Red Cross is a British award for military nurses and this category groups people who have won that same award twice. In the UK, recipients receive a medal bar when they earn an award more than once rather than receiving separate physical medals. (A different British award with bars is show to the right.) I'm not asserting that winning the underlying award is nodefining under WP:OCAWARD though. We don't categorize governors who were elected twice differently than those who were elected once or singers with 3 albums differently than singers with 4 albums so this double winner category seems non-defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Heroes of Honduras

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The result of the discussion was: delete for now. For the record, the current members are José Trinidad Cabañas,Dionisio de Herrera,Lempira (Lenca ruler),Francisco Morazán,José Trinidad Reyes. The Wikidata item is [1]. – Fayenatic London 07:35, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (Either WP:SUBJECTIVECAT or WP:OCAWARD)
We don't have an article on National Heroes of Honduras to define what the inclusion criteria would be for this category. The 5 articles do use the word "hero" (with a lowercase "h") but only 1 of them has a citation for it. Since the articles do objectively include the word "hero", maybe the category is not subjective per se but it's definitely grouping articles based on the subjective editorial word choice of various Wikipedia editors. (Alternatively, it's possible this is a non-defining award without a main article.) Either way, it seems non-defining to the articles and unlikely to aid navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The heroes of Honduras are very well defined by its culture. I say culture because, unlike the Honduran National Symbols, they can′t be found in decrees, but are thought at schools and considered as such by all Hondurans. The use of italics is because in Spanish the actual word is "próceres" (singular: "prócer"), not "héroes" (heroes). "Prócer" is a very formal word we use in Honduras only to refer to one of those 6 people in the category, and which is defined as "distinguished, eminent" (adj.) or "distinguished, eminent person" (noun). It has not really a direct translation, but given its connotation, not only in Honduras but in other Latin-American countries, it can be understood as hero (wordreference, Google translator). Sources about "Próceres de Honduras": Honduras Space, Honduras Tips, Xplor Honduras, Honduras Network; Images of those 6, including this one on a government site. Actually, the category lacks other three characters found in the Spanish version who in fact were declared "héroes" by decree. -  Kes47 (speak up) 06:21, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Your agreement that the heroes or próceres "can′t be found in decrees, but are thought at schools and considered as such by all Hondurans" means we are relying on your good faith judgment creating the category and picking who goes in it per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. I just copied the current category contents right here so no work is lost if anyone wants to create an article on the topic.- RevelationDirect (talk) 11:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Read further, it's not a personal but a social consideration. That statement just means that they are not legally declared as "próceres", but considered as such by the Honduran culture (not a single Honduran unawares it). This is equally valid, objective and probable, just take a look at the sources: there are the top 4 sites that spread Honduras-related information (should be enough), but if you want to go deeper you’ll find that every Honduran source refers exclusively to those 6 characters as "próceres". So yea, at the beginning I created the category based on what was obvious to me as Honduran, but now it should be kept for what is obvious in sources. -  Kes47 (speak up) 18:48, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You've definitely convinced me this is notable and deserves an article! Ideally, we would have that main article to help evaluate this category to see if WP:RS consistely list 6 members (not 8, 2 or 4 members) and whether it's defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 20:04, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fundamentally, the problem here is that we have a category in lieu of a well sourced article. Maybe that hypothetical main article could overcome the category concerns, maybe not. - RevelationDirect (talk)
Well, "robust" is what's really subjective, so maybe you should explain why those 4 sources (entirely dedicated to talk about Honduras) pointing to the same 6 characters as the "próceres of Honduras" is not a means "robust" enough. Plus, there is the fact that, as I already said: every Honduran source refers exclusively to those 6 characters as "próceres"; if you type "próceres de Honduras" in the Google or YouTube searcher you won't find any other people but those 6. What RevelationDirect could find trying to probe otherwise was just some foreign blogger using the word "heroes" to refer to notable Hondurans and who didn't even get the Francisco Morazán last name right, and other two sites that also failed to do so cause they don't say or imply that the mentioned "heroes" are the only ones. Here's another (and I hope more convincing) source: the TV channel "STVE Telebásica", supported by the Honduras Education Secretary, at the last year's "independency month" made a special series of commercials on the theme of the "National Próceres of Honduras"; it’s on YouTube, again, mentioning only the 6 people in the category. -  Kes47 (speak up) 02:11, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Melodifestivalen presenters

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 09:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A performers by performance category, which by guideline we generally avoid. It doesn't look to me like being a Melodifestivalen presenter is the primary source of notability for anyone. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:28, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tree programming languages

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Programming languages. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:24, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Tree programming" is not an accepted category of programming language. This can be verified by a Google search, which returns no substantial results. The category page only links a few (very) obscure programming languages, and the pages for those languages do not themselves mention "tree programming".122.150.69.172 (talk) 02:20, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Svenska Hollywoodfruar cast members

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. (non-admin closure) --Trialpears (talk) 12:07, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A performers by performance category, which by guideline we generally avoid. On the other hand, for some (though not all) of those included, participation in this television programme appears to be the main reason they are notable. If the cast members category is deleted, the eponymous category would contain only the main article and so it can be deleted too. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:17, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Miscellaneous X character redirects to lists

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The result of the discussion was:
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCMISC, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 13#Category:Miscellaneous television episode redirects to lists, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 23#Miscellaneous TV/Film character redirects to lists, and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 16#Category:Miscellaneous media element redirects to lists, we should not have dedicated "everything else" categories. Any pages in these categories should be moved to the parent categories of those which are being discussed here. Said parent categories should also have {{Container category}} swapped out with {{Category diffuse}}. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 01:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Songs written by Rafe VanHoy

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:11, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Most sources I'm finding spell his name as "Van Hoy", including his entry in the BMI database Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:54, 22 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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