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Category:Tropical cyclone effects by region

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Lists of tropical cyclones by area. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:20, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Looks like creator was unaware of Category:Tropical cyclone impact by region ?? Le Deluge (talk) 23:53, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Architects of the Liturgical Movement in the UK

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I don't have any strong views on what this should be called, it's intended as a daughter of Category:British ecclesiastical architects but we don't have a category for the Liturgical Movement, the closest we have is Category:Liturgists. Obviously we never abbreviate "UK" in categories, so it could be "British architects of the Liturgical Movement" but beyond that I'm open to views? But we don't need the "British" or "UK" in there at all given that there's no "global" parent category. Le Deluge (talk) 23:43, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople who committed suicide

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
  1. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22#Category:Drivers who committed suicide:
Comment: what is the qualitative difference between "Sportspeople", "Sports competitors", and "Competitors in athletics"?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 23:15, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@William Allen Simpson: Sportspeople are people involved in sport (including referees etc.). Sports competitors are those who compete in sport. Competitors in athletics are those who compete in the sport of athletics. SFB 01:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:40, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete after upmerging any missing from parent cats. GiantSnowman 17:41, 28 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify This is perfectly useful material for a list, thus listify is the superior option for this than delete. There are not too many entries here so List of sportspeople who committed suicide seems like a valid target list to create as a result of this. Suicides of sportspeople is a noted phenomenon and these is much literature on the subject, both lay and scientific (example). To say the intersection of sport and suicide is trivial is to say that you have not done basic research to ascertain if there is a link. SFB 01:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Italian language outside Italy

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is the standard naming for these categories. ★Trekker (talk) 18:29, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:House of Leuven

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The result of the discussion was: merge; do not rename to "Reginarids". Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:40, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, two different names for apparently the same house. House of Leuven redirects to Reginarids, the counts and dukes in this category are said to be Reginarids. Note that the target is nominated for speedy renaming to Category:Reginarids per C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Mayors of places in West Virginia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, just one, two or three articles in each of these categories and they are not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Death of Sohrabuddin Sheikh

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:18, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: violates WP:SMALL,WP:OCEPON ChunnuBhai (talk) 13:25, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Protestant congregations established in the 17th-20th century

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope. A manual merge is needed because the articles in the Protestant congregations categories may already be in a denominational subcat of churches. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Protestant congregations established in the 16th century

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The result of the discussion was: split. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:12, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: in contrast to the four sibling categories nominated above, this category mostly concerns Catholic churches converted to Lutheranism, or Protestantism in general, for which we already have appropriate categories. But there also are a few entirely new Protestant churches (for which we already have a category as well), e.g. Haberberg Church. These are very different situations and it does not make sense to lump them together in one category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- I do not think this works. The congregation will not have changed (save its denomination) at the reformation. We have churches built in (say) 1330; reformed in (say) 1525; rebuilt in (say) 1710. Save in cases where the Catholic church was monastic (which adds more issues), the church community worshipping in the church will have had a continuous existence since 1330, though only protestant since 1525, and in a building built in 1710. Where a new church was established for the first time - many churches in America and dissenting churches in England, the community and the building are of much the same date. However in some cases history is rather more complicated. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — well done! This will mark the change in denomination, very notable. We already have "yyyy constructed" categories for buildings, that handle every "rebuilt" objection. When I was visiting distant relatives in Scotland, it was a matter of pride that they'd actually taken down a church building, numbered stone by stone, and rebuilt it in a row with other churches. It was also a matter of pride that they are all buried together in a cemetary near Macduff's tower from Shakespeare. Fought centuries of religious wars to arrive at a state of grace. Let's not perpetuate that here.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This appears to better reflect their denominational histories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tour de France cyclists

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The result of the discussion was: delete and reparent the subcategories as indicated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:12, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:PERFCAT. This is follow-up on this earlier discussion about Giro_d'Italia_cyclists. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:01, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Carlossuarez46, RevelationDirect, and Justus Nussbaum: pinging contributors to beforementioned discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:03, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Two-thousanders of Macedonia

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Southwestern Region, Macedonia geography stubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Southeastern Region, Macedonia geography stubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:21, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People from Kratovo, Macedonia

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:03, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:21, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Northeastern Region, Macedonia geography stubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:20, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Eastern Region, Macedonia geography stubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:59, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kratovo, Macedonia

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I nominate the name of this category to be updated as the name of the country has since changed. SeriousCherno (talk) 09:18, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Organizations in 2000

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too vague to be a useful category, among other problems. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikisource Administrators

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: None of the users in this category are actually administrators on any wikisource. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:58, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Patriotic War, 1st class

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD & WP:OVERLAPCAT)
Over a nine million of these awards were given out according to the main article, Order of the Patriotic War. The award was a Soviet medal for World War II (aka "the Patriotic War") that eventually became a campaign medal for every participant. Usually I suggest listifying non-notable awards, but this is too large and the contents would largely overlap with Category:Soviet military personnel of World War II anyway. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Warsaw Cross of the Uprising

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:09, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
We normally don't categorize military people by individual battles because the combatants are already in a military category but Category:Warsaw Uprising insurgents is a worthwhile exception since most of the local combatants in the 1944 Warsaw Uprising were not in a formal military and their participation was clearly defining. What is not defining is also getting the Warsaw Uprising Cross as a campaign medal decades later for that same participation. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The stated purpose of the award was for all those who "took an active part" which is a campaign medal and, in practice, it appears to have been broadly issued amongst the small subset of combatants who lived into the 1980s and 1990s, with some posthumous exceptions. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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