Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 11
October 11
editCategory:Sidney Poitier
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent for Category:Films directed by Sidney Poitier as this holds no other directly-related articles beyond the main article itself. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:27, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Jack Nicholson
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization for just 2 articles (with one being the main article per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:23, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Yo-Yo Ma
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Not enough individual content to justify an eponymous category per WP:OCEPON. The discography article can simply be put in the albums category. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:16, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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Category:People involved with terrorism
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 19:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:People involved with terrorism to Category:Terrorism
- Nominator's rationale: merge the subcats only per WP:OCASSOC, the category attracts dubious articles (people without a conviction) and the number of subcategories is not that big that it would overcrowd the parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Support. The sub-cat Category:People in counter-terrorism should somehow stay within the parent Category:People associated with crime; is it a good enough fit to put it into Category:People in law enforcement? – Fayenatic London 08:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- Good point, I have added it immediately [1], as an improvement independent of the proposed merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:06, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Birds of the Miombo
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 20:00, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Birds of the Miombo to Category:Birds of Southern Africa
- Propose merging Category:Fauna of the Miombo to Category:Fauna of Southern Africa
- Nominator's rationale: There is, afaics, no such region as "the Miombo" (with a capital "M") so, as a minimum, these categories should be renamed. Being found in miombo woodland is non-defining for many of the articles currently in the categories e.g. Spotted flat lizard which (makes no mention of miombo) and African savanna hare ("It is native to diverse regions and habitats ..."). Note: the (now-blocked) creator of the category appears to have sometimes categorized based on off-wiki lists rather than the information in articles - e.g. see this.
- There are some articles for which being found in miombo woodland may be a defining characteristic - e.g. "Its habitat is mainly dense miombo woodland, but it has also been observed in ...", but in wp we don't generally categorize species by habitats; we categorize by (country-based) regions. Attempting to categorize by habitats could get very messy - e.g. would an article that says "Its natural habitats are boreal forests, subtropical or tropical dry forests, subtropical or tropical swamps, and subtropical or tropical moist montane forests." belong in a miombo habitat category? DexDor (talk) 19:56, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Comment, see also the previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Support: There's no such thing as "the Miombo". We could have a category "X of miombo woodland", but we don't usually categorize animals based on the vegetation type in which they spend part of their time. Thank you. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 15:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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Category:The Guild (series)
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 19:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT that happens to be empty now; only 2 articles would fall into it were it filled. Izno (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
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Companies by country and city
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 20:01, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Companies by city in Algeria to Category:Companies of Algeria by city
- Propose renaming Category:Companies by city in Vietnam to Category:Companies of Vietnam by city
- Nominator's rationale: The proposed names would match other hierarchies such as Category:Companies of the Netherlands by industry & Category:Companies of the Netherlands by year of establishment. – Fayenatic London 13:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This is a follow-on from a failed nomination for deletion of the Netherlands category at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 October 2. – Fayenatic London 13:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Note 2: Within Category:Companies by country and city, Argentina and Mexico already have the proposed form. If the nomination is not approved, then those categories and the Indonesia one should be renamed to match the majority. – Fayenatic London 13:53, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Support in the spirit of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:52, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Support in line with Marcocapelle. Rathfelder (talk) 12:38, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Castles in Germany by region
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. The main confusion is why the proposal is to delete the container category but keep the subcategories that divide castles by region. A fresh nomination that deletes all of them could be preferable. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:43, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Superfluous. All the subcategories are already in Category:Castles in Germany by state - as are all the other castles. Rathfelder (talk) 12:45, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Regions seems to be a well-established tree structure in Germany. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree; only castles are categorized like this; for example Category:Churches in Germany by region is a redlink. DexDor (talk) 21:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - Categorizing by region as well as by state is overkill. Such duplication can lead to articles being categorized in two incomplete category schemes rather than in one complete scheme. DexDor (talk) 21:17, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
- In Germany regions are now only really used for geographical features. Länder, states, are the administrative units. Rathfelder (talk) 12:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
- Question/comment @Rathfelder: aren't the subcategories supposed to be included in the nomination (as merge to Länder level)? Without including the subcategories in the nomination I do not understand the rationale very well.
If the subcategories are meant to be kept, then at least the category should be upmerged to Category:Castles in Germany instead of deleted.Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Struck latter part after discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- Category:Castles in Germany by state already contains the three regional categories, in their appropriate states.Rathfelder (talk) 21:21, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, fair enough, so a merge is not needed. Still, I don't understand why we would delete the parent category but keep the subcategories. Either we do categorize by region or we don't. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
- I would happily delete the subcategories, but it may be that the regions are geographically significant. After all the Länder were not established until centuries after the castles were built. So I think that is a seperate discussion.Rathfelder (talk) 09:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
- Reply I think that Category:Regions of Germany displays plenty of possibility for future growth in itself and in its children. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe - but unlike some other countries there is no agreement about what constitutes a region in Germany. I think there are categories for at least 5 different kinds of regions. Rathfelder (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
- Reply I think that Category:Regions of Germany displays plenty of possibility for future growth in itself and in its children. Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Jewish communism
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Jewish communist movements. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:54, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Jewish communism to Category:Jews and Communism
- Nominator's rationale: I'm uneasy about the name of this category, which seems to endorse Jewish Bolshevism, an antisemitic conspiracy theory. Catrìona (talk) 10:33, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- 'Jews and Communism' is misleading, a better option could be Category:Jewish communist movements. --Soman (talk) 17:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Jewish communist movements, which IMHO is the clearest and unambiguous alternative. Debresser (talk) 10:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
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