Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Boxing Council Muaythai

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The one "keep" does not cite any actual sources, which is what any topic needs to get an article. Sandstein 14:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is plenty of coverage about WBC Muaythai, its very reputable organization, most Notable Muaythai fighters that have wiki ages here, have gained their notability by winning the WBC Muaythai title. Its wrong to not have this encyclopedic article online, when we have an extensive Muaythai ecosystem. We just needed to expand the article and improve citations, these series of nomination for kickboxing article are very off-putting. Its really odd that this Organization was deleted. Anyhow, can you relist as Draft for me please, I don't want to have to recreate it again from scratch. Thank you. Lethweimaster (talk) 09:08, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

World Boxing Council Muaythai

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Fails GNG Zafir94 (talk) 05:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC) Creating deletion discussion for World Boxing Council Muaythai[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Martial arts, and Thailand. Shellwood (talk) 08:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:09, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It's a significant Muay Thai organization, but I didn't find coverage to convince me that WP:GNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 16:43, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Already PROD'd, ineligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:14, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep It's one of the governing bodies in kickboxing and the biggest for Muay Thai, one of the oldest, with World Championships. It offers us the notability for fighters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Martial_arts/Kickboxing_task_force In my opinion you should just ask for more documentation. Certainly without even more sources such articles should not disappear from Wikipedia. Or we can all go... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/World_Kickboxing_Network equals WAKO! It must be reinstated. Zafir94, but you know this mate.! Zbreller (talk) 22:32, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciate your opinion. However to pass WP:GNG - a Significant coverage in Reliable, secondary sources that are Independent of the subject is required. The way the articles have been written (sourced) - none of this is unfortunately demonstrated.

It is indeed "one of" the governing bodies, like your said. Organizations like WMO, IMTF, WMC, IAMTF, WMF (the list is long) could definitely argue your statement "the biggest for Muay Thai".

Just because someone "personally" knows about the organization and just because they existed in the past, doesn't make it "notable" and pass WP:GNG.
- There are properly sourced articles, that pass WP:GNG, about other notable historic subjects that existed 'before the internet'.
- If these organizations are in fact notable their notability and passing of WP:GNG should not be hard to demonstrate, right?
So the solution could probably be:

1. to either improve, source the articles as required to meet WP:GNG;

2. or merge some of the properly sourced content into Kickboxing history;

3. or delete;

4. ?

Otherwise what is the point of WP:GNG if they are not followed? Zafir94 (talk) 23:21, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.