Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winston McKenzie

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The result was merge to London mayoral election 2008#Winston McKenzie. Merging seems like a good compromise here. The delete arguments are certainly far stronger, but it seems that there might be some information that can be salvaged from this article. NW (Talk) 02:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Winston McKenzie

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fails both WP:BIO and WP:POLITICIAN. A mere candidate is not notable, and if we're including him based on his references that fails as well. The only refs I can find are local ones that fail WP:NOT#NEWS (an article on him being "disillusioned" after losing his electoral deposit) and another single local news reference from the BBC that fails WP:NOT#NEWS (a notice from the Croydon local news that he's registered as a candidate). Ironholds (talk) 20:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- I'^mperator 22:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (creator). Notable, by virtue of references. He was the subject of mainstream media attention (as well as those already referenced, he was the subject of this BBC profile, etc), due to his having run for an important position. There are a large number of Croydon Guardian references to him (not a 'notice' that he's a candidate, but several recurring stories, actually), as he is rather famous in the borough (when he fails to make an X-Factor audition, he makes the news...). Bastin 23:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Fails both WP:BIO and WP:POLITICIAN. I ran and lost an election last year, and I'd fail both of the 2 notability tests if someone put a page up about me. Tangurena (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I lost an election last year, too. But that's not the point. The point is given in WP:POLITICIAN, which you cite:

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Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article."

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I am showing that he has received significant coverage, and that this coverage is on-going because of his celebrity, rather than just because of the notability of the event. Bastin 19:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Keep - coverage around his candidacy looks significant; he was also a professional boxer and the national amateur champion at his weight, which seems to meet WP:ATHLETE. Warofdreams talk 01:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on the basis of the BBC story. I wouldn't have said that otherwise. There is no presumption of notability for people who do not win the nomination of a major party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs)

Delete He fails WP:N. There are not SEVERAL independent reliable sources about the subject. The BBC News article is actually from a Croydon BBC site - far cry from national coverage. Ohconfucius (talk) 10:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I'm with Ohconfucius. The BBC article certainly qualifies as one reliable source. WP:V requires multiple reliable sources. Does anyone have others to proffer? As far as the athlete bit, the BritishBoxing.net link (which is broken, but can be retrieved through the Internet Archive) states that McKenzie was solely an amateur boxer, and with a record of only 6-6-1, which wouldn't likely make him the national champion in anything. The article states that his brother was successful, but notability isn't inherited. RGTraynor 10:55, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For sources, try the BBC interview above, this BBC profile, the Guardian article cited currently, this reference from the Independent, as well as the several 'local' BBC pages and the "Winston McKenzie" 58 articles in the Croydon Guardian. And that's just from a five minute Google search.

And, yeah, he's not notable for his boxing pedigree. Boo-hoo. Bastin 11:06, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Not a reliable source, but [www.mckenzieboxercise.com/family.html this website], which appears to be run by his family, states that he was a professional boxer for a while. Warofdreams talk 10:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um ... "not a reliable source" covers it. I couldn't find any sources in ten minutes positively, reliably, identifying McKenzie as anything other than an amateur boxer with a spotty record. RGTraynor 12:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete until candidate is more successful, at the minute we seem to be in WP:ONEEVENT realms, and until the subject is more successful, that polices cautions us not to have an article. Maybe mention at the page on the actual election itself. Hiding T 10:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Redirect to London_mayoral_election,_2008#Winston_McKenzie. If he gains more notability in the future, this can be revived. Jujutacular ^talk_contribs 22:41, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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