Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vanvaas

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify‎. While it might seem like there is a consensus to Keep, editors arguing that outcome have been asked to provide reliable sources that can establish GNG and those sources have not been forthcoming. So, I'm moving this article to Draft space until those sources can be located and added to this article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vanvaas

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Upcoming film with no independent or secondary sources. Draftified to allow for more development but immediately restored to mainspace. All the sources are sponsored content or press releases. bonadea contributions talk 07:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and India. bonadea contributions talk 07:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: release in a month, notable cast and director; coverage exists: it is not independent but includes verification of cast,, plot, director's ideas in interviews (https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/bollywood/nana-patekar-utkarsh-sharma-journey-gets-renamed-to-vanvaas-exclusive-article-111905151 https://www.aninews.in/news/entertainment/bollywood/this-topic-touches-600-crore-people-director-anil-sharma-on-his-new-project-vanvaas-with-nana-patekar20241019232620/) etc, so that redirecting or draftifying for a month does not seem completely necessary (Deletion would be disruptive and I am absolutely opposed to that outcome.) but if other users disagree with a plain keep, then redraftify. -Mushy Yank. 13:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maharashtra-related deletion discussions. -Mushy Yank. 13:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, both sources are in the article (more than once I think — there's a lot of duplicate sources in there, and a lot of disruptive refbombing with more and more copies of the same crap advertorials) and they are worse than useless. Unless there are independent sources there shouldn't be an article. --bonadea contributions talk 16:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There is many news references for verification. And also film cast and director/producer is also notable.--PQR01 (talk) 07:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify: I am not too much into this but while I do think that Indeed the page has not been created properly, I believe it can significantly be improved as there is not much time left in the release of this movie. I believe the page should be draftified once again, the author has already been blocked indefinitely and now I believe the other editors will be able to improve the draft and add independent, reliable sources to establish notability and submit it for AfC once it's ready. -- AstuteFlicker (talk) 18:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AstuteFlicker:, just to clarify, are you voting to keep or draftify?--CNMall41 (talk) 06:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry :).. That is the reason why I said I am not too much into this. I meant to Draftify this article again... AstuteFlicker (talk) 09:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - Just because it is about to be released is no reason to keep a page that does not meet notability guidelines. Draftify until the release and there are reviews, unless it can be shown there is something notable about the production. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The film has garnered SigCov in sources such as Times of India, India Today, and DNA India. These outlets have extensively reported on the film's promotional activities, cast, and production details and so passes WP:NFF. Also, with ongoing media attention, it is likely to gain further SigCov, reinforcing its notability.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 14:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saw those references as well, but which ones are considered reliable? I am specifically asking about the reference, not the publication as these are non-bylined sources falling under churnalism or WP:NEWSORGINDIA.--CNMall41 (talk) 18:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend seeking out current sources, as there are enough secondary coverages available. As I mentioned earlier, with the movie set to release in less than a month, media attention around its post-production and details is increasing daily, particularly given that many of the cast and crew members are well-known figures in the industry. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 19:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have sought out current sources. You I cannot find them. You have failed to provide them upon me asking for them. The fact it releases in less than a month is not a reason to keep something that does not have the significant coverage to show notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41 It seems you misunderstood my comment. I wasn’t arguing in favor of keeping the article just because the release is imminent. Instead, I was highlighting that given the popularity of the cast and crew, a significant amount of coverage tends to surface, similar to any other films with a notable lineup. Please read the comments more carefully. Again, since the release is about two weeks away, you can already find relevant coverage online, feel free to check for yourself. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 16:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read the comment very carefully. Maybe YOU should take a closer look at my responses as that is twice now you have been asked to provide the list of significant coverage and you have failed to do so. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kaizenify (talk) 13:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep with draftify as second choice. My first impulse was that a film not yet released is usually not notable, but a cursory look at the sources has changed my mind. I will defer to anyone who has read them in depth. I did not. Will note that notability may change. An upcoming film may be cease to be notable if it later flops or proves unimportant. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep: With release date announced, this discussion is no longer relevant now and should be closed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awsib (talk • contribs) 19:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking through the notability guidelines and cannot find where it says that films with release dates announced are inherently notable. Could you point out the specific wording and I will have a closer look?--CNMall41 (talk) 15:18, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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