Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Valin Shinyei

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 18:28, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Valin Shinyei

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Non-notable child actor that doesn't meet WP:BIO. Most sources do not have him as the main topic and those that are (e.g. IMDb) are not reliable. 2407:7000:A2AB:D00:42A:8418:5749:69F9 (talk) 06:36, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

AFD created on behalf of IP --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 11:56, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Article was NEVER approved for move from article for creation but it was moved by User:B https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Valin_Shinyei&diff=next&oldid=552792108 despite the previous IP user commenting "promo, and ripe for AfD". --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 12:31, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete reason addition: Also, I don't think he pass WP:NACTOR cause i couldn't find third party coverage of him. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 18:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Keep? Deleting just because it wasn't approved in AFC isn't valid, as even with AFC the page creator has a right to try their luck with a straight posting. Concerning Shinyei, the coverage is turd, so it comes to whether his filmography passes WP:NACTOR, meaning he is "likely" to be notable if he "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." Maybe? I don't want to be a snob and dismiss films just because they are directed at a very different target demographic than myself, and he has several quasi-notable roles in films with Wikipedia pages (arguably notable, therefore). It looks like A Christmas Story 2 might have been a deal for certain folks. OhioShmyo (talk) 16:44, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
OhioShmyo, well the person moving it wasn't the page creator. And I find it a bit surprising with the straight moving after the denial. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 22:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. A winner of a Young Artist Award is notable. Of course, the article is in bad shape but still... FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 00:24, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
FoxyGrampa75, well WP:NACTOR says "Actors, voice actors, comedians, opinion makers, models, and celebrities:

Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment."

So the actor himself should have to be notable and not just win awards. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 00:34, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Tyw7 A Young Artist Award win satisfies WP:ANYBIO 1: "received a well-known and significant award or honor". A person needn't meet NACTOR for the award to count towards notability. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 00:41, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
FoxyGrampa75, it's debatable if Young Artist Award is a notable award. I can't find too much coverage about the award. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 00:48, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ANYBIO is not automatically passed by just any award that exists — the degree to which any award constitutes an ANYBIO pass is strictly coterminous with the degree to which the media cover that award as news. In other words, it is passed by awards that get media coverage, and not by awards that do not. Bearcat (talk) 16:38, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Don't care - but for the record, I did not move the article into the mainspace. Rather, I fixed a copy/paste move where someone had done a copy/paste move from AFC into the mainspace. --B (talk) 15:54, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
B, gotcha. I thought you prematurely moved the page. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 17:59, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when his notability and sourceability improve. "Notable for having roles" is not automatically passed just because the article lists roles — every actor has always had roles, because having roles is the job description, so merely listing roles is not the magic ticket. Rather, that knife cuts on the degree of reliable source coverage that the actor has or has not received for having roles, and not just on the list of roles itself. And as I noted above, ANYBIO is not automatically passed by just any award that exists, either, so just saying that he won a Young Artist Award is not an instant notability freebie if your source for the fact is his own IMDb profile rather than a news article about his winning of a Young Artist Award — that knife, too, still cuts on the depth of media coverage it did or didn't cause the actor to receive. But eight of the ten footnotes here are primary sources or blogs, which are not support for notability at all, and the two which are real media outlets just glancingly mention his name without being about him to any non-trivial degree. Some of these things would be valid notability claims if the article were better-sourced, yes — but literally none of them are "inherent" notability freebies that would exempt him from having to have better sources than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:51, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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