Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tomi Thomas

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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:14, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tomi Thomas

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Does not meet General Notability Guidelines for a singer. MurielMary (talk) 11:46, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:48, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The subject meet's WP:SINGER and his notable enough aside being part of a notable musical band, he has been placed on rotation by a major radio known as The Beat 97.9 FM and also have performed music for a notable network known as MTV Base Africa. He was also featured on a major album "Rendezvous" by M.I Abaga in 2018.--Goodie9696 (talk) 20:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you indicate which of the notability criteria at WP:SINGER the subject meets, as I don't see any? MurielMary (talk) 08:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria 10 & 11; MTV Base (Africa) is a notable network, their is a reliable source on that which I added above and also airplay on Beat FM which is a notable radio station in Nigeria in which he was on rotation with the song "Shaken" in 2018. The two sources i added above are reliable of the network and the radio station.--Goodie9696 (talk) 12:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep seems to have significant coverage in reliable sources such as The Pulse Nigeria and magazines as shown on this article and the discography article, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 22:21, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The Pulse Nigeria and Pan African Music appear to be reliable, independent sources that give him significant coverage. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:06, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per Atlantic306 and Cwmhiraeth Ceethekreator (talk) 08:47, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I have to disagree with fellow users above because this article is based on unreliable sources and namechecking which are both signs of intent for promotion. First, Pulse Nigeria (almost half of the current sources) is not reliable, more especially when it's occupying prominent position in sources. I have already explained why in this 2018 thread but things only got worse since then, they now report jokes, and atimes help UK's Daily Mail to spread unverfied nonsense. To their credit, they didn't claim any professional diligence in their mission, they say they are simply "popular news platform".

If we remove Pulse Nigeria from the article (ref 1,5,6,7,12) nothing much will remain. The only reliable source in the article is The Punch, (ref #11), however, it's classic example of a mere-mention. The source only mentioned the subject once, and only once. And this is a name in the midst of 17 other names.
Source number 8, [1] is a user-generated forum; for comparison, it's reliability can be likened to Wikipediocracy's. Source number 10 is not much better, see their about page.
Source number 4 is a blatant namechecking. Number 3, a semi-reliable blog while source #9 is an interview. So there's no evidence of significant coverage and not anything meaningful from reliable sources. In short WP:SINGER is not met here.– Ammarpad (talk) 18:55, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Pushing it but still a keep. Found a few sources from Konbini like this one , and this one. He also was a guest on a few singles with a few notable artists like Santi. Plus what per Emmy. Just enough. Josalm64rc (talk) 19:21, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your links are both from the same domain konbini.com and are actually worse than the current sources. The site is basically an advertising outfit and most of it is a user-submitted content which they say they're are not liable for. The sources you gave are example of such submissions. You too can submit, using the submission buttons on the website footer or by navigating Contact us >Write article in the top navigation bar. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Ammarpad: I found this source from the National from 2015 which may be good enough to pass WP:GNG along with the Punch source.Josalm64rc (talk) 20:40, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(Even though the above account is blocked as a sockpuppet, I think it's good to clear this). You said "along with the Punch source." It appears either you didn't read that Punch's article or you're deliberately trying to use it anyhow just to claim notability. Let me quote the whole paragraph for you. It's the last paragraph and reads:
Others include Sensei Uche, Kemi Smallz, Mr Real, CDQ, Jaywon, Iyanya, Okiki DFT, Blaqbonez, Oluwakaponeski, Victor AD, Sess Beats, Lyta, Somto Cody Akanegbu, SamPhrank, Tomi Thomas (Mayorkun’s manager), Shakar El, Awazi and Osagie John-Osarenz. It was a memorable moment for many of the attendees as they got to interact with their favourite celebrities. (Punch)
The highlighted part is the only placed he's mentioned. It'll require an unimaginable stretch to claim that this article makes him notable. What the source only makes clear is that he's just a manager to another artiste, I am not sure when we start hosting article for musicians' managers. That National's article may be a bit better (it's an interview anyway), but we will require multiple of them to show this manager's notability. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:52, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Goodie and Cwmhiraeth; the sources provided check out, and the subject retains enough notability for an article. Utopes (talk) 22:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, except I have proven they're all unreliable (the only reliable [2] mentioned him ONCE in a list of 17 other people), Goodie and Cwmhiraeth did not refute that. You cannot establish notability based on utterly unreliable sources; and there's no notability to 'retain' as it was never established in the first place. That's a policy. It's not negotiable. – Ammarpad (talk) 08:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ammarpad: the link you gave does not show any consensus or details of why Pulse Nigeria is unreliable, and printing a list of jokes in a light hearted article is neither here nor there Atlantic306 (talk) 17:14, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - I did not claim any 'consensus', did I? I explained why it's unreliable, if you disagree you have to explain why it's reliable. If you consider printing jokes (which you called "light hearted") as a journalistic professionalism, me I don't. I also explain how they're republishing nonsense intoto from WP:DAILYMAIL [3]. You did not comment on that. Not mention all the other unreliable sources that were used to create the article. – Ammarpad (talk) 18:13, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Atlantic306: per the national link provided by Josalm64rc which is a notable newspaper in UAE look's reliable enough to meet WP:GNG cause WP:GNG never stated how many source needed to meet it criteria and also i updated the article. He was part of the musical artist selected to mobilise vote at the 2019 Nigerian general election. To what I stated above he meets WP:SINGER and clearly meets WP:GNG. --Goodie9696 (talk) 07:00, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - ... selected to mobilise vote... "selected" by who? Your statement makes it look like this was by a government body or a notable organization. It was neither. The news mentioned Tomi once, who was in fact mentioned by the "Lead Influencer" of the organization. The organization TheElectionNetwork is non-notable, the lead influencer Noble Igwe has a questionable biography. I am not sure, but I doubt, if that was a registered organization. It was just an ad hoc pseudo-group for the purpose of campaign and it went it oblivion as soon as campaigns are over. If you believe it was a genuine organization, please provide evidence. GNG did not mandate number of sources, but it requires "significant coverage" [that] addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. There are no sources to meet that and certainly we can't deduct that from one interview without excessive synthesis and original research. – Ammarpad (talk) 16:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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