Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Amazing Race 16

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The main issue has not been settled: Are there reliable sources to establish notability? King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:35, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Amazing Race 16

Not a Crystal Ball, not nearly enough information to justify article (there aren't even third-party sources) Guy0307 (talk) 13:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep as right now, CBS announced it last month and I created the article. Is also not case in WP:CRYSTALBALL, because it quotes "APPLICATION PROCEDURE AND ELIGIBILITY DATES" for dates to applied. [1] ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 03:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to preserve edit history. Following WP:NFF as a guideline, it has not completed principle photography, and there is no official solid airdate. Plastikspork (talk) 04:41, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. —ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 21:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there isn't really much known about Season 16 to even warrant an article yet. Just because they are openly asking for candidates for a new season doesn't mean such a season will go ahead. Several things like budget, filming, depending on how well season 15 does may come into play. I'm not saying it won't happen just we have no solid airdates for Season 16, no solid filming dates, everything listed is just speculation. Also is there even an official article saying its being renewed?(Beyond the casting form..) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.13.121 (talk) 14:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC) — 82.16.13.121 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Comment The Amazing Race 13 was also nominated for deletion during 2007-2008 Writers Guild of America strike and there was no third-party source in that article. It was also a speculation during The Amazing Race 12 was scheduled to aired during that article's creation. Means, the IP is a single purpose account. ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 20:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Maybe it is, but it's not a crime. All the IP did is comment here. Remember WP:AGF and WP:BITE. Regarding the Amazing Rce 13 article, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Guy0307 (talk) 21:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment from The Amazing Race 13 AFD: This isn't a movie, it is talking about reality television series airing next year, even TAR15 is now currently filming. There would still be an article on this never completed season, and really wish the editors could raise the talk page. ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 21:25, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely keep. This is the Primetime Emmy Award winning show's 16th seasons. And the application deadline has already past. Kingturtle (talk) 00:46, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Being an Emmy Award winner doesn't change the fact that it fails WP:N, WP:NFF, and nothing is known about the series. And where is the application deadline mentioned in policy? Guy0307 (talk) 22:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep' - Official documents are present to show that this 16th season of a notable television show is going to be produced. It should only be deleted if CBS or the producers are explicitly shown to have pulled the plug of the 16th season. Otherwise, it should happen and the article, having already been labelled as one about a future television show should be retained. DanielTAR (talk) 05:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It doesn't matter if it's going to happen! The 2056 Summer Olympics are going to happen unless something catastrophic is going to happen. Guy0307 (talk) 22:28, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - But are there any articles or documents in circulation that shows that it will happen? TAR16 has these articles and it has been a norm for seasons to be produced once these application forms have been released and I definitely don't foresee TAR16 being any different. DanielTAR (talk) 11:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    I definitely don't foresee 2056 Summer Olympics being any different either, but that doesn't mean that a "cast list" and "precise airdate" has been released. Note that a redirect would preserve all the edit history and allow the article to be rapidly reconstructed once a premiere date has been released. Plastikspork (talk) 16:15, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - There probably is, but let's not get into that. One non-RS, first-party source does not make it notable, it's not enough. Guy0307 (talk) 22:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reliable sources say that it will exist. I also disagree with the comparison between this and the 2056 Summer Olympics. Shappy ^talk 20:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I love the show, but in all reality, CBS has not officially announced it, and while an app form and casting calls indicate they may be vying for it, until its confirmed, no article. (If it were more regular like Survivor, knowing there would be a show in the spring following the upcoming fall one, sure, but CBS buys TAR seasons on the fly, so we won't know until it is given.) --MASEM (t) 05:49, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand what you're saying but how do you gauge whether TAR is "regular" or not? As far as past trends have concerned, if application forms are out, there has not been a time where a season has been canceled or not produced, even if seasons may not be produced regularly every two seasons. To me, that warrants TAR to be considerable as regular. DanielTAR (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.