Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soufflage

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The result was redirect to Surrealist techniques#Sifflage. Sandstein 11:37, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Soufflage

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Unreferenced sub-stub. All Ghits seem to be related to this article. Already included (in its entirety) in Surrealist techniques Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:01, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:01, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no sources or notability. hard to take seriously when there's nothing to it. MaskedSinger (talk) 20:37, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Redirect Can't find any sources. Fails WP:GNG. William2001^(talk) 21:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to ~~Surrealist techniques#Soufflage~~ Surrealist techniques#Sifflage, which is the same as this article, as BMK noted. There does not seem to be evidence for notability or any practical reason for a separate article. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 23:56, 6 July 2019 (UTC) ......(Changed redirect destination per conversation below.) --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 15:30, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The problem with that is that the editor who added it there is the same person who wrote this article. If you look at the edit history of surrealist techniques you will find a long history of xyr contributions being challenged for being unverifiable, for just one example see this edit. We only have this in that article because people (mis-)treated the blankings for unverifiability as vandalism. Uncle G (talk) 13:01, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This, along with a whole bunch of other stuff supplied by one person, including decretage (c.f. this edit summary and Talk:Surrealist techniques#On decretages and depliages), were challenged for verifiability in 2003 (back when AFD was VFD and we did not have the deletion log that we do now). If the statement that we are still cleaning this up after 16 years does not ring a bell, then please see this.
So, is this verifiably true, as so much else apparently wasn't? It may seem so from ISBN 9781616735159. But that was written in 2011 and has the same subjects as our article from 2011 with mainly word-for-word and punctuation-for-punctuation identical descriptions. soufflage is the French word for glass-blowing, and I can find no sources at all predating Wikipedia that describe this as an artistic technique. this, for example, is also from 2011 and outright points to Wikipedia several times. this is from 2017 and also points to Wikipedia.
This is unverifiable.
The irony is that had the people in 2011 consulted an encyclopaedia article written by Professor Mona Hadler rather than by User:Daniel C. Boyer, they would have found that Ernst's technique is "sifflage", and that there's little more that Hadler or anyone else says about it than the now verifiable Surrealist techniques#Sifflage currently does. Yes, we are still cleaning up after User:Daniel C. Boyer after 16 years.
Uncle G (talk) 13:01, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing! Thanks for that work. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:22, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Considering Uncle G's information above, and feeling WP:BOLD, I have moved the article to Sifflage and converted it to a redirect to Surrealist techniques#Sifflage. If anyone thinks this is egregiously out of process, please undo. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:38, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Soufflage and Sifflage to Surrealist techniques#Sifflage for now. I have added a number of references, including an older one using the term Sifflage. I have heard about the technique in the past and would like to learn more about it, but don't have the time to start a deeper research into this topic. It would also be interesting to find out when and where the "Soufflage" variant originated. If, at a later stage, some expert can provide more information on the technique than just the couple of sentences we have so far, an article can be written under Sifflage.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:54, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Beyond My Ken, I'd love to close this sooner rather than later, but there's still an outstanding delete vote, by MaskedSinger, and although this is headed for WP:SNOW I'd rather play it by the book. Thanks, and thanks also to Uncle G and Matthiaspaul. Drmies (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.