Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shattered Signs & Deadly Sins

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:11, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shattered Signs & Deadly Sins

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Fails WP:NMUSIC, searched for more information about this as per WP:BEFORE and only found the one source that was included in the article not including the artist own website. Artist most likely fails WP:NARTIST, not signed to a label, work appears to be self published. Article author appears to be WP:SPA.

Source assessment table
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Popternative	Site mentions that it used to be a podcast and is now run by one person	~ No author is listed for the article	~ Interview with nine questions	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 18:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source for the page is a reliable source for entertainment interviews. Mostly written by a single author, although some are credited to other authors. Recent interviews with Popternative can easily be found online with notable people like John Stamos and Lucy Hale.

This independent artist has been in notable TV shows and movies, and has also previously released music and music videos that have received award nominations in the Latino community. Wikipedia should not only contain information about mainstream artists, and should not discriminate against artists who are notable/recognized in the Latino entertainment community. Writtenbyem (talk) 04:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No one is discriminating against this artist, this work fails the notability guidelines. Follow this link and it'll take you the the notability guidelines for musical artists. I've copied part of the page here for you, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything like that, just trying to help show you what I'm talking about. If you find something in that list that I missed let me know and I'll work to remove the nomination.

Copy of guidelines available at WP:NMUSICIAN

Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theatre groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria.

Note that regardless of what notability criterion is being claimed, the claim must be properly verified by reliable sources independent of the subject's own self-published promotional materials. It is extremely common for aspiring musicians who want a Wikipedia article for the publicity to make inflated or false notability claims, such as charting hits that did not really chart (or which charted only on a non-notable WP:BADCHART) or nominations for awards that are not prominent enough to pass criterion number 8 (below). Thus, notability is not determined by what the article says, it is determined by how well the article does or does not support the things it says by referencing them to independent verification in reliable sources.

Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist, or their works. (See the self-published sources policy for details about the reliability of such sources, and the conflict of interest policy for treatment of promotional, vanity material.) The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it. The rationale for this is easy to see – someone simply talking about themselves in their own personal blog, website, book publisher, social networking site or music networking site, etc., does not automatically mean they have sufficient attention in the world at large to be notable. If that was so then everyone could have an article. Wikipedia is not a directory.
- This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries. What constitutes a "published work" is deliberately broad. except for the following:
  - Any reprints of press releases, other publications where the musician or ensemble talks about themselves, and all advertising that mentions the musician or ensemble, including manufacturers' advertising. For example, endorsement deal publicity (including sell sheets, promo posters, fliers, print advertising and links to an official company website) that lists the artist as an endorser or contains an "endorsement interview" with the artist.
  - Works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, release information or track listings, or the publications of contact and booking details in directories.
  - Articles in a school or university newspaper (or similar), in most cases.
Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart.
Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country.
Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. This criterion has been disputed in the past and has been reworded numerous times as a result. Past significant discussions: 2006, 2008.
Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).
Is an ensemble that contains two or more independently notable musicians, or is a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles.Generally speaking, in a small ensemble, all people are reasonably-prominent, but, for example, being members of the chorus (not prominent) in two Broadway musicals (dozens of people involved) usually wouldn't be enough. This should be adapted appropriately for musical genre; for example, having performed two lead roles at major opera houses. Note that this criterion needs to be interpreted with caution, as there have been instances where this criterion was cited in a circular manner to create a self-fulfilling notability loop (e.g. musicians who were "notable" only for having been in two bands, of which one or both were "notable" only because those musicians had been in them.)
Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.
Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition.
Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read the policy and notability guideline on subjects notable only for one event, for further clarifications).
Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network.
<Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network.

Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 04:48, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - because it looks like the article for Carrera himself might be on the way to deletion too (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cody Carrera). Otherwise the usual solution is to redirect. Nobody has yet talked about this album other than Mr. Carrera himself. After the album is released, if it picks up pro reviews and other reliable media coverage, then the article can be revived. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:01, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per same logic as Doomsdayer. The album releases in ten days so feel free to keep an eye out for new coverage and recreate at that time if such coverage appears, but for now it's definitely too soon. QuietHere (talk) 16:19, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.