Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Pomerantz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Clearly fails Wikipedia:Notability (music). Closing early due to (a) article subject's request, (b) obviousness of result, and (c) appears to be a magnet for new accounts who are turning this into a bit of a mockery. Floquenbeam (talk) 18:57, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Sam Pomerantz

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An article about a 16-year-old musician, citing no third-party sources. The article claims that his single "Ignite the Fire" was played on a Charlotte KISS-FM radio station and in 2014 was placed in rotation on MTV. Neither statement is sourced. The only evidence ever offered by the article creator was a Twitter screenshot, [1] which could be of absolutely anything. I can find no online evidence that this musician is any more than one of many using the web for self-promotion. Lacking third-party sources to demonstrate that any of the criteria in Wikipedia:Notability (music) are met, the article should be deleted - while I wish the subject of the article luck, I see no reason why Wikipedia should provide free publicity. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:06, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:06, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 13:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 13:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't know how I can source the fact that the song was played on a KISS FM station multiple times or the playing of the song on MTV. Please don't delete the page as I continue to find sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Herbie rookie (talk • contribs) 23:07, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This AFD process takes 7 days. So you have time to find sources. I suggest you concentrate on that. Many new editors will concentrate on adding a photo or making the article sound better but those things are not a basis of notability. References are what will establish notability and go a long way to keeping the article. Dismas|^(talk) 23:16, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: wtf keep. im a fan of sam and sam meets all the criteria and there isn't a website where you can prove that a song was on the radio. sam tweeted that the song was on the radio and the radio station literally favorited it. and people are adding sources so theres nothing to worry about. i like reading about sam and other people do too so keep the article. Laurenpower (talk) 02:01, 18 August 2015 (UTC) — Laurenpower (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Please not that this is not a vote - it is a discussion as to whether the article meets the necessary Wikipedia criteria to merit inclusion. And meeting the criteria requires published evidence from third-party reliable sources. Vague assertions that the criteria are met will have no effect on the outcome of this discussion. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ok, well i think the page meets it. ive even heard it on the radio and here's proof, just click the link and look at the favorites: https://twitter.com/sampomerantz/status/459514317210406913 Laurenpower (talk) 02:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What you 'think' is of precisely zero relevance. No sources meeting our requirements, no article. End of story. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

this article has been through this before. we already proved to wikipedia that he met criteria and they kept the page. besides, all of us want the article to stay, so. and people have contributed to the article. Whateverlovato (talk) 13:02, 18 August 2015 (UTC) — Whateverlovato (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete. Blatantly fails both WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. I'm ignoring meatfactory and fanboy comments posted above. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 13:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

this isn't a vote, it's a discussion. Whateverlovato (talk) 13:13, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think Applebee's named Sam a Next Big Thing artist? Herbie rookie (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

THEY DID! I remember that. Whateverlovato (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

when i edited this page, i noticed this. i don't see anything wrong with this page. i agree with the majority of people on here, keep it. Yololorenzo (talk) 00:08, 20 August 2015 (UTC) — Yololorenzo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

can i recommend a compromise? Whateverlovato (talk) 00:24, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I very much doubt it - there is no room for compromise as far as Wikipedia notability guidelines are concerned. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:28, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

since it meets at least one criteria, and you've seen a source, and because the majority wants this page, can't you just keep on monitoring the page and making authentic edits to it? Whateverlovato (talk) 00:32, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No source has been provided that demonstrates that any of the criteria have been met. And this is not a vote - particularly since the 'majority' here seem to be new accounts that have sprung from nowhere, all coming out with the same nonsense. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:39, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Whateverlovato (00:32, 20 August 2015), anyone is welcome to keep on monitoring the page and adding to it material from reliable, disinterested sources. This of course includes you. If over the next few days you or others can transform the article so that it provides evidence of notability, then I shall no longer be able to do what I do now: compare it with relevant Wikipedia guidelines, and say delete. -- Hoary (talk) 02:43, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

you're deleting the article? why? Whateverlovato (talk) 02:49, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've been having a discussion with someone on my talk page who claims to be Pomerantz - saying he doesn't want the article. And a post on Pomerantz's Twitter account now says the same thing, so it is clearly him. Sam says "Talking with a Wikipedia moderator right now. There are people making this article about me, so if you see this, can you all stop?" [2] The discussion on my talk page is here: [3] AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:59, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

oh. so we were annoying him this whole time? :/ Whateverlovato (talk) 03:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It looks that way. If that makes you change your mind about the article (I think it should), you should say so here - that way we can probably close this discussion early, delete the article, and find something more useful to do. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

if sam wants it gone, then remove it. im a big fan of him and i dont wanna argue about this anymore tbh, so if the other users come back or try to like get mad at you, i can like go on their talk page and tell them its alrightWhateverlovato (talk) 03:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Completely fails WP:MUSIC and the unreferenced claims to notability are silly. Maybe he will be a big star some day, but not on August 20, 2015. The "keep" arguments above must be disregarded because their motivation is clear, and they show no sign of understanding our notability guidelines. They seem to be here only as fans of this 16 year old musician. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per ATG and Cullen. And due to the very polite request by the subject on ATG:s talkpage, I suggest deleting this article sooner rather than later (I believe 7 days discussion is the standard time?). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:33, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.