Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rimba Racer (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Withdrawn by the nominator. (non-admin closure) Mhhossein ^talk 12:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rimba Racer

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Previously deleted at AfD in 2016. Recreated but still sourced mostly to Facebook, Twitter and YouTube. Remaining sources aren’t sufficient to demonstrate notability. Mccapra (talk) 10:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC) [reply]

~~Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 10:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]~~

~~Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 10:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)~~ Withdrawing nomination with thanks to Ricky250 for their work on improving the article. Mccapra (talk) 20:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. Mccapra (talk) 10:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete per nom unless anyone can find any better reliable sources for this. Having had a look, all I can see is a fair few cursory mentions but nothing else whatsoever. It may well be that there are better sources available in Malay that I can't find obviously here, but I can't find them, and unless anyone else can who understands the language enough to appropriately cite them, the article isn't suited for the wiki. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 10:59, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Naypta, I have added some sources from Malay articles, and one from India (in English). Hopefully it can help a bit. -Ricky250 (talk) 16:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete per lack of reliable sources. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 13:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Greetings, i'm apologize for the lack of reliable sources for Rimba Racer, it's due to my negligence that this motion happen. I will try to find more sources to ensure Rimba Racer disqualified from the AfD. If I'm fail to find the adequate sources for the article, do delete it or keep it under incubation. Do also help me to spot the mistakes in the article. Thanks. -Ricky250 (talk) 15:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article's sources have severally improved. Fixes in official release and others also done. Hope the Administrators can reconsider the deletion. -Ricky250 (talk) 20:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NTV, which says, "Generally, an individual radio or television program is likely to be notable if it airs on a network of radio or television stations (either national or regional in scope), or on a cable television channel with a broad regional or national audience." Rimba Racer aired on Nickelodeon in India, and TV3 in Malaysia, both national networks. It is currently streaming on Netflix in the US, an international TV distributor. In addition to that strong claim for notability, Ricky250 is adding some helpful sources.
- "Malaysian Jungle-lympics" from the New Straits Times (2014) is a fairly lengthy article specifically about Rimba Racer.
- "The art of animation" from R.Age (2015) is mostly about young people breaking into animation, but confirms that Rimba Racer is an "award-winning local animated show."
- There's also a positive review on Anime Superhero from 2018.

I think that shows produced outside of US/Europe are at a disadvantage in notability discussions, because there are a lot more recognized reliable sources in English than there are in Malay. There isn't a lot of English-language coverage, and I don't know Malaysian media well enough to know what kind of RS coverage to expect. But this is clearly a show that was successful enough in Malaysia to get two seasons, and then get picked up by Netflix for international distribution. English speakers who see the show pop up on Netflix will naturally want more information about the show, and Wikipedia should offer it. I think the NTV pass is strong enough to establish notability. — Toughpigs (talk) 20:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As per above keep comments, this show is really not very notable in US or Western peers even though it keep pick up by many television networks and even Netflix US allowed to streaming the first season. Even if not very notable around Western or Europe side, that's not mean it can't be not notable at all. This WP:NTV should be considerate even more for local media that in outside Western countries even if not pickup by any national networks in Western. With enough sources to cover that media that is. SNN95 (talk) 02:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It would be helpful if @Ricky250: could remove all the content that is sourced only to twitter, YouTube and Facebook and add any other decent sources he wants, and we’ll see what we have then. The issue here isn’t that the show ‘isn’t notable in the USA.’ The issue is that the article relies mostly on unreliable sources. Sources don’t need to be in English, but they do need to be reliable. Mccapra (talk) 03:53, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Reply. Hello Mccapra, I have cleaned up the Youtube, Facebook and Twitter sources and replaced them with the more on-the-web one. I hope this can be the definite end to the motion for deletion. If there's anything wrong again, let me know. -Ricky250 (talk) 16:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Ricky250: that’s great thank you. Pinging @Naypta: and @Jcoolbro: as previous delete voters: with unacceptable sources removed and new ones added, I’m inclined to withdraw this nomination unless anyone wants to stick firmly to the case for deletion. What are your views? Mccapra (talk) 17:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good - I think there's still stylistic issues with the article, but the additional sourcing has convinced me of notability. Well done Ricky250! Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 17:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I'm still learning (especially in creating infobox and also wording on each paragraph correctly, I will study more into other articles in regards to animation on that part). I will do better next time. :) -Ricky250 (talk) 17:51, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Ricky250: Looks good to me! Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 20:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Reply Thank you. With this, do I have the permission to remove the deletion message on the article Mccapra? -Ricky250 (talk) 11:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No leave it and the admin who closes this discussion in a day or two will take it off. All the best. Mccapra (talk) 11:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Reply Alright, thank you. -Ricky250 (talk) 10:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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