Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pehchaan (2014 TV series)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. I can't find any consensus. For what it's worth, the pertinent SNG is WP:TVSHOW. On a side note, I am concerned the "plot" section may be a copyvio, it certainly reads like it was lifted from TV Guide (I know that's not in Pakistan), but if someone knowledgable about Pakistani sources and languages could check.... please. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 20:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pehchaan (2014 TV series)

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Non-notable TV series, apparently ran for one short season; the sources provide two passing mentions and a short profile, not even close to WP:GNG. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article was newly created today (23 April 2021) by User:ZindagiHaseenHai and already had 3 newspaper references. It was missing the related categories which I added 4 categories today. I honestly wonder if people are allowed enough time to fix and expand their articles before it ends up on AfD? One of the above newspapers reviewed it under the title 'Best of Pakistani television' in 2014? Ngrewal1 (talk) 00:19, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment When I nommed this, the article had been published for 12 hours. How many days should I have waited? How long, exactly, does it take to add sufficient references to establish notability? And more to the point, what is the reason why those references cannot be added before publishing, precisely so that this doesn't happen? "I honestly wonder if" some people creating articles have ever looked at any of the guidelines... --DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Reply DoubleGrazing, I am sometimes frustrated myself with wasted time on Wikipedia. I strongly feel that policy needs to be changed on the 'accepting side' of newly-created articles for Wikipedia, if that's what you meant by your 'comment' above. Editors, new and old alike, should be asked to work on their new articles in their own Sandboxes until they are in 'fairly good shape' and reliably sourced, only then they should be 'accepted' on main space Wikipedia to save everyone's time. Let's go back to the above subject article. Two of us editors got involved to help out in improving the article after it was nominated for AfD. So this article needs to be considered fairly as it stands now after some improvement.

I agree, though, that the new editors should be required to get familiar with Wikipedia guidelines and should show it in their actual behavior, when creating new articles before their articles are accepted. Hopefully, my User page has been reflecting this thought for some time now. Let's stop accepting very poorly written and totally unreferenced new articles on Wikipedia?..Ngrewal1 (talk) 17:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment User:39.34.188.130 later added another major Pakistani newspaper review of Pehchaan (2014 TV series) plus a review by an entertainment website. In my view, now there are enough independent third party newspaper reviews of this TV series to pass WP:GNG. Regards Ngrewal1 (talk) 05:48, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- this is an article about a series with plenty of references now. And in response to the nominator's discussion about how long should they wait? I don't think the amount of time to wait is relevant, however, clearly the WP:BEFORE was insufficient given the sources that have since been added. matt91486 (talk) 20:45, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Article was created by a now-blocked sock of Bttowadch (and the IP who edited is also a sock of the same editor). Please review carefully, they take a VERY fast and loose approach to sources and NPOV articles. Ravensfire (talk) 03:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kichu🐘 ^{Need any help?} 07:13, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:GNG let alone WP:BROADCAST. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 14:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think Broadcast is relevant here, this is a series, not a station. matt91486 (talk) 18:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any other thoughts? We're here to see if this merits inclusion - not for clean up. That belongs on the article talk page.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 22:51, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.