Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Terry (actor)

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The result was keep. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:00, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Terry (actor)

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~~not notable. No sources seem to exist to add to the existing. Restored after PROD was contested. --Mdann52talk to me! 13:42, 26 November 2014 (UTC)~~ due to improvements, I'm changing to keep. As other people have voted delete, I'm unable to speedy close this. --Mdann52talk to me! 17:21, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 November 26. —cyberbot I ^Notify_Online 14:06, 26 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete With one voice role and a television appearance I don't think he meets the notability criteria for entertainers, and, given that his acting career ended 14 years ago and consisted of a total of two roles across all media, I don't see how the sourcing and notability issues could be improved with time. If you have to include finishing third on an episode of Weakest Link to bolster notability then you're in trouble. --Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 17:58, 26 November 2014 (UTC) Change to keep given the references provided in the expanded article.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 00:08, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep To be fair, he starred in two series of a notable series aired on both BBC and the Disney Channel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoap. He also was the main character in a pretty famous live action Disney film James and the Giant Peach. That to me suggests "multiple appearances" as per the notability criteria. [comment was unsigned by 92.30.148.47]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:12, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:12, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He's a child actor who has since stopped acting. I don't see that as reason to delete. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:28, 27 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my original PROD rationale, namely that one film, a few episodes of a TV show, and one episode of game show do not meet the notability guideline for actors at WP:NACTOR. —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 11:36, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think it comes down to the film role. If he'd played more roles at that level, we wouldn't be questioning this. I can't speak for Microsoap, but Weakest Link is obviously not going to swing notability.

So what do we do about child actors? There's clearly a group who play one significant role, then stop. Any number of these actors - and many of them covered here, many of them not. So what does WP:ACTOR say? For music, the idea of a one hit wonder is very clearly seen as conveying notability, if that one hit is adequate. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:33, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- A starring role in 26 episodes of a television series and the title character in a major feature film meets the criteria for WP:NACTOR. However, I would like to see some independent reliable sources added, rather than just an IMDb link. Because of fan blogs like this, I am assuming there are some decent sources in magazines and newspapers which can meet WP:BLP. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 18:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a source http://www.discoveryschool.org.uk/Pages/about-us/Our-Staff.aspx for his current career - if someone can confirm it is the same Paul Terry.

OTOH, if he doesn't mention on his school bio that he was in this film, then maybe he's not trying to publicise it and we should leave him be? Not everyone wants a biog in this place. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. James and the Giant Peach (the book) is a hugely important and hugely popular and hugely well-known children's book, especially in the UK. Terry was nominated for an award for his starring role in that film. I think it is also important to keep the article so the important JATGP film article has a link to its star, so it's neither a redlink nor a cipher (after all it's a common name, and it's good for investigators to be able to tell who exactly the star was and what became of him after the role). Also worth noting that WP:Notability is not temporary. Softlavender (talk) 23:28, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Was it really just a voiceover? I thought the first part of it (with Lumley and Margolies) was live action? (Years since I've seen it) Andy Dingley (talk) 00:05, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent point -- wiki article says it's live-action for the first 20 minutes, then stop-motion animation within the peach, then live-action again. Softlavender (talk) 00:10, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Only being in one (or a couple) of film(s) still brings notability. There is also a possibility of article expansion as happened with Danny Lloyd when he was interviewed for various documentaries about the making of The Shining. MarnetteD|Talk 00:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Article has now been significantly expanded, upgraded, and sourced since prod and AfD nom. Softlavender (talk)
Keep As per User:Softlavender's rationale above. -- Chuq (talk) 10:46, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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