Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moulvibazar Govt. High School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Draftify‎ and I'll note strongly that this should go through AfC if it is improved. If it doesn't, it risks G4 and the creator, sanctions. Star Mississippi 02:29, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moulvibazar Govt. High School

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This page is kind of a mess. It's completely unsourced, has formatting and grammatical errors in several places, and almost reads like a rough translation from another language in spots. While the tone isn't blatantly promotional, it does also have that "feeling" of trying to promote the institution perhaps implicitly.

The page has been draftified twice previously (under a slightly different name). The most recent draft was ultimately G13'd, and while I can't see the deleted version, I have a feeling that this mainspace version isn't a significant improvement from the drafts. Since draftification appears to be controversial, sending the page here for a consensus on how to proceed. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 17:20, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and India. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:24, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are some grammatical errors in this article. But there is no attempt to promote the institution implicitly. Rather all information is true. The institution is already one of the most prestigious institutions in the greater Sylhet area in Bangladesh which is also historical being established in 1891. There is not enough information about the institution online but it has offline legacy. That's why enough references have not been added.

This article has to be improved. But it should not be deleted. Note: This article already existed in another language on Wikipedia. Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 17:39, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Prince of Fairy Tale: I'm not sure if you're aware, but you can still cite books and other written media; it just has to be verifiable. As for having been established in 1891, something having existed for a long time doesn't make it inherently notable. I would also give WP:OTHERLANGUAGEEXISTS a read. tl;dr The fact that something exists on another project doesn't warrant inclusion here. - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 18:19, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have added some reliable citation as evidence of notability. Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 19:29, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moulvibazar Govt. High School is the central school in Moulvibazar, Bangladesh. Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 19:32, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is an institution like Dhaka Collegiate School, Government Laboratory High School, Rajshahi Collegiate School, Chittagong Collegiate School and College, Bindu Basini Govt. Boys' High School, Motijheel Government Boys' High School, Bogra Zilla School, Mymensingh Zilla School and all other district government schools in Bangladesh. Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 18:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would take a look at WP:WHATABOUTX. Other things existing doesn't exclude this from notability standards. - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 18:21, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have added some reliable citation as evidence of notability. Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 19:29, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I agree with it reading like an advert. The manner that the article author replied to the deletion discussion with plenty of WP:Puffery doesn't help. The article has almost no citations (it appears that it cites its own Notable Alumni?) and does not denote any notability. With two previous draft attempts, I would say putting back in the draft namespace would be unwise unless someone can provide notability at the very least. - AquilaFasciata (talk | contribs) 18:13, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have added some reliable citation as evidence of notability. Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 19:28, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify Give the article creator a chance to improve the article. They can go through the WP:AFC process.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 22:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please help me to improve the article? I think you know something about the institution or you have some idea about this type of institution. Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 07:56, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moulvibazar Govt. High School is a famous and well-reputed institution in Greater Sylhet area in Bangladesh. This is the central school in Moulvibazar District of Bangladesh.

Don't you think the institution is notable enough to be listed as an article on Wikipedia? Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 08:01, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relax and take a deep breath. Take a moment to read Wikipedia:Notability and understand that the sources must show the subject is notable. Read Wikipedia:Reliable sources to understand what is considered a reliable source. Creating an article should not be your first steps in Wikipedia. I would recommend improving existing articles as it will allow you to understand the policies of the site. Right now this article is not in shape to stay in mainspace. Drafting will allow you to improve the article and work with other editors. Ask for draftfication and accept that it might take months to create the article. This will give you enough time to find sources and improve the article. Vinegarymass911 (talk) 16:43, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:56, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to see if there is more support for Draftification.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:19, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nom is right in saying that this article is a pretty big mess. It's a repository of unsourced WP:NOR, even finding the right sources will be a challenge, given that there doesn't seem to be much to base this article in besides the school's own primary materials. GuardianH (talk) 16:04, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Help me to improve the article if you wish. I think deletion is not the solution. The school is notable undoubtedly. Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 04:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify There is potential for notability here. However, I do agree the article is a mess and needs to be reworked. Belichickoverbrady (talk) 23:05, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please help me to improve and restructure the article? The school is notable undoubtedly. Prince of Fairy Tale (talk) 04:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CommentPlease note that Moulvibazar Government High School has produced two Finance Ministers of Bangladesh. That suggests some potential for notability.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 19:09, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.