Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Monk (comics)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Batman family enemies#Foes of lesser renown. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 06:13, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Monk (comics)

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Similar reason to Doctor Death (comics). Outside of confusion of not doing AFD in forever. I want the character merged not deleted. Because he is notable enough for list inclusion but no proof of notability on stand alone when merged twice. But an edit war happened. There is decent sources but not for stand alone notability. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 16:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs (talk) 16:49, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Toughpigs (talk) 16:49, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NEXIST and WP:ARTN: The Monk is one of Batman's earliest villains, and apart from being a supervillain, he's also a vampire. There are a lot of independent sources discussing the character:
- "Batman's Identity Crisis and Wittgenstein's Family Resemblance" by Jason Southworth, in Batman and Philosophy: The Dark Knight of the Soul, John Wiley and Sons (2008), pg 158
- The Encyclopedia of Vampires, Werewolves, and Other Monsters by Rosemary Guiley, Facts on File (2004), pg 73
- The Vampire Gallery: A Who's Who of the Undead by J. Gordon Melton, Visible Ink (1998), pg 291
- The Vampire Book: The Encyclopedia of the Undead by J.Gordon Melton, Visible Ink (2010), pg 47
- The Complete Vampire Companion by Rosemary Guiley and J.B. Macabre, Macmillan (1994), pg 146
- Batman Unmasked: Analyzing a Cultural Icon by Will Brooker, University of Michigan Press (2000), pg 50
- Superhero: The Secret Origin of a Genre by Peter Coogan, Monkey Brain Books (2006), pg 72 & 105

I believe that this demonstrates notability. I've put these links on the page in a Further reading section so that editors who want to improve the article can use them as resources. -- Toughpigs (talk) 16:36, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

These are primary sources....not enough for stand alone. They prove that vampirism is notable, Batman is notable and the Golden Age is notable. Also your guidelines don’t work because you already placed them there. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 16:41, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2020 March 15. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 16:55, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect - The above links are trivial mention after trivial mention. TTN (talk) 17:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Coverage in character encyclopedias might merit inclusion in a list of some sort, similarly to the encyclopedia. A standalone article still does not meet WP:GNG standards for WP:SIGCOV._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 18:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As with the deletion nomination for Doctor Death, the real issue with both articles is that they are poorly written and do not cite all the necessary sources. Apart from the above, mentioned literary sources, the character appeared in 15 issues (not much but reasonable), as sith many character articles, information can also be taken from professional reviews/analysis of the the character's major appearance in Batman and the Mad Monk as such review also offer some small things such as characterisation, legacy, and possible influences on the character. This can all be done without the use of primary sources. With all of this in mind, my suggestion is that the article should just be rewritten rather than outright deleted or redirected.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:55, 16 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - trivial mentions, like being listed in a character encyclopedia, do not confer notability. We need SIGCOV to meet GNG. It doesn’t matter how many comics the character appeared it or if it was one of the earliest characters or if the character is a vampire. If the character is notable, it’ll be the subject of significant coverage. This one is not. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 16:49, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I am objecting to the deletion of the page and supporting the claims of those who want keep. If the outcome is Merge, it should be merged with either List of Batman Family enemies with an anchor near the name or a rewritten version of List of DC Comics characters: M. --Rtkat3 (talk) 19:15, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Batman family enemies#Foes of lesser renown. The sources given above are trivial coverage, not significant coverage, and therefore the article does not meet GNG. Devonian Wombat (talk) 22:34, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Batman family enemies#Foes of lesser renown. No evidence this character is discussed beyond WP:PLOT, all the sources presented above seem strictly limited to, well, plot summaries. Nothing to merge except said plot summary, which really means nothing to merge. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:40, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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