Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michelle Leonardo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. postdlf (talk) 03:25, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Michelle Leonardo

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Fails WP:NMODEL, fails WP:BLP1E, poorly sourced and part of a mass creation of articles on pageant participents by a [1] SOCK farm link and junk building effort. Legacypac (talk) 10:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC) [reply]

Note: There is discussion related to a batch of AFDs, I think all about model articles created by one editor, at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2015 January 31#Madison Guthrie. Related renom AFDs (all for articles started by one editor) are:

Somewhat related, new AFDs (but these are for model articles started by different editors) are:

--do ncr am 22:24, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as subject meets the verifiability and notability standards for WP:GNG. There is nothing in WP:NMODEL that specifies beauty pageant contestants and, in any case, it does not supersede WP:GNG. NBA.com is hardly anybody's "local paper" and the subject is covered by reliable third-party sources. Article was created in May 2012 through the AfC process by User:RRRRRYYYYYAAAAANNNNN who is neither a sockpuppet nor a junk builder. This nomination, however, is one of a growing series by this nominator in this topic all made about two minutes apart in the wake of a failed mass-nomination. My normal presumption of good faith is strained significantly. - Dravecky (talk) 11:50, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Per request(s), and to avoid confusion, nominator has stopped. The 12 AFDs linked above now are all of them. Each needs to be considered separately. --do ncr am 22:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How any dancers for the Boston Celtics warrant their own WP article, even if listed on the NBA website? Legacypac (talk) 13:02, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Leonardo won the Miss New Jersey Teen USA crown in 2008 and Miss New Jersey USA in 2012, both of which are notable statewide pageants with national and international coverage in reliable third-party sources. She's no more simply a Celtics dancer than Paula Abdul is simply a former Lakers dancer. - Dravecky (talk) 13:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Show us the WP policy that winning a state pageant is notable. Winning a blue ribbon or a tractor pull at the state fair is just as notable. Legacypac (talk) 13:22, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. -- Sam ^Sing! 14:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Jersey-related deletion discussions. -- Sam ^Sing! 14:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- Sam ^Sing! 14:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Personally I think - A. the nom should've waited a few weeks, and B. nominate some like 5 not 10, All that aside ~~Most were created by a sock/SPA who appeared to be affiliated with these pagent contests,~~ No evidence of notability, Fails GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 21:10, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note, this one is different than the others, is NOT created by the one editor whose articles were nominated at AFD in a large group (of which 8 are renominated in links above). This one was created through AFC process, accepted in this version by editor Missvain. No more model AFDs being started by nominator now. This article topic needs to be evaluated on its merits alone. --do ncr am 22:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Why the hell this crap was accepted I'll never know,~~ Anyway I've struck as turns out you're right it appears to have been created by someone not affliated with the contest –Davey2010^Talk 02:43, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG. Though created through AFD, it's not notable. EChastain (talk) 23:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As far as Dravecky's heated Keep arguments go, I just looked back at his cut-and-paste Keep votes on these pageant AfDs. He made the first one at 6:43. The second came at 6:50, with six more coming over the next eleven minutes. He cannot possibly claim to have made an adequate search for sources in a time frame like that, and I'm quite comfortable with calling that bad faith.
Examining the article on the actual merits, the sources presented are either primary and promotional pageant websites, blogsites, casual mentions (such as the Celtics' bulletpoint bio) and one school newspaper. A Highbeam search turns up her only mention in a reliable news source, as part of a photo caption in an AP newswire photo along with several dozen other pageant contestants. Nowhere in Wikipedia notability guidelines is there any presumptive notability for state pageant winners, and so the article has to stand and fall on the GNG, which the subject doesn't meet. Ravenswing 03:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Sources such as [2], [3], and [4] are reliable and sufficient to establish (minor) notability. Sufficient other sources (official bios) exist to round out the article (they don't establish notability, but can be used to flesh out non-controversial info). BLP1E clearly does not apply (there are multiple events here) - throwing it out as a delete reason only weakens a delete argument. Pinging @Missvain: who accepted this at AfC for input. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article has numerous references to third party reliable sources. Passes WP:GNG as well, the subject has shown notability. WordSeventeen (talk) 06:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mr. Guye (talk) 03:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:25, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sufficient references as per WP:RS, not just a beauty contestant but a dancer and she's been in commercials, but much of the unsourced cruft was removed and should not be re-inserted.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:27, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
WP:TNT. This travesty needs to be re-written from scratch. Pax 21:38, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It has been rewritten from scratch or do you think it needs another rewrite.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 10:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sources seem sufficient. Artw (talk) 02:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:GNG with multiple citations in reliable, third-party sources. Ejgreen77 (talk) 23:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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