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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tompion (bear hibernation)

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I think this is an hoax. I am unimpressed by the references. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Best case scenario is that this is a dictionary definition of a non-notable term. Carrite (talk) 00:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Tompion (Bear Hibernation Plug) has already been deleted. Carrite (talk) 01:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not seeing any real indication of notability. It already has an entry in Urban Dictionary, which is all it deserves. Qrsdogg (talk) 17:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Even assuming it's not a hoax, I would delete what is essentially a disctionary definition of a word that might have been created in a minor fictional work. Bearian (talk) 21:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I was somewhat surprised to find actual potential reference for this article. That still fails the GNG, though, and in general the article isn't even verifiable. —chaos5023 (talk) 19:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Given there is now prose, I think there is little need to spend more time discussing deletion here. Courcelles 23:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Utah gubernatorial election, 1996

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The article has has had no content since last month but and infobox and the {{ElectionsUT}} template. Has been once before CSD'ed under the A1 criteria but was declined by administrator DGG. I say delete. —Croisés Majestic ^{(sur nous mars)} 23:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete per CSD A1 unless there is significant expansion. It could be a notable topic for an article, but the creator didn't bother adding any content, and I'm tired of cleaning up after him. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Question. Above you say "I'm tired of cleaning up after him" as if this is a common occurence and implying that this editor is intentionally creating garbage for you. Could you explain this further? -- Avanu (talk) 02:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Probably. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 03:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How would A1 apply to the article? It's easy to see that the page is about the 1996 Utah gubernatorial election. I'll work on the page though. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 01:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Clearly a notable topic and there is some decent content in the infobox. Damn those things to hell, by the way... Looks like this is flagged for rescue, no rush on the speedy, let's see if somebody wants to add 25 words and 1 source to save this thing. Carrite (talk) 01:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I tagged it for rescue on the hope it would draw someone interested in improving articles.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 02:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I added sources and prose. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 02:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep rescued based on article improvement by TheWeakWilled, nice job!--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 02:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I wasn't aware Wikipedia had articles like this. [1] This article currently states: "Winning by the greatest margin in the state's history, Leavitt won every county". Seems notable. I would think that every election at this level should be considered notable for Wikipedia. They always get plenty of coverage for months, or even longer in some cases. The news media analyzes everything they do that might effect this notable event. Dream Focus 02:56, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Question - not that there isn't any notability, but could anyone explain what specifically makes this particular election notable apart from information on either candidate? In other words, in what way does the content here merit a standalone article? I mean, it does sound interesting, but the Democrats almost didn't put up a fight in this race, and the Republican won by a landslide. So why not just redirect this to something about Utah politics, or why Democrats didn't feel a need to run a candidate or whatever... but how is this race something really amazing? -- Avanu (talk) 03:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:GNG I presume? See Category:Gubernatorial elections in the United States, this isn't an isolated article. There are 100s if not thousands of articles on U.S. state gubernatorial elections.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 03:05, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep I would be absolutely staggered to discover that the election of a state governor happened without any newspapers thinking to cover it significantly. ╟─Treasury Tag►Alþingi─╢ 14:31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, fairly obviously notable. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 20:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. While not every statewide election is notable, this one was filled with superlatives - most overspent, greatest margin of election, consistent polling, a last-minute major candidacy, etc. So it is far from run of the mill. There is, in fact, a whole category of 100s of these, but not every possibility (1000s) are included. Some good sources were not difficult to find and add to the article before its deletion nomination. This was 1996, not 1896; Internet sources about it can be found easily. The nomination lives on the periphery of bad faith. It has been rescued per WP:HEY. Bearian (talk) 21:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Good goin', Weak Willed! Carrite (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was deleted. Procedural admin close for already-deleted article. Bearian (talk) 21:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mehdi Abeid

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Article was deleted recently. Has since been re-created. Player fails WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE. Signing for Newcastle after failing at Lens does not constitute notability. JS^{Rant Away} 23:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not worthy of a delete since the player is highly rated was wanted by several clubs and has numerous articles about the transfer of the player as evidence, as for "failed" he was never given a professional contract nor a chance to play in the first team but that could have been for any reason ie financial, the fact Lens had been relegated etc. He has had 12 appearances for Lens B and score 3 goals good start to a promising career from A Central DEFENDING Midfielder, Hardly classed as a fail! He has played well at under 17 and under 18 level, The fact of the matter is this player will be one of the 25 in the Newcastle squad. To delete the article now would be pointless when a new one will need to be created in a few months when the English Premier League commences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazza25784 (talk • contribs) 01:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: ... because, of course, 18 year olds play in the Premiership all the time. Not. The subject continues to fail WP:ATHLETE. If and when he ever plays at a fully professional level, he may well qualify for an article. Right now, he does not, however "promising" his career allegedly is. ῲ Ravenswing ῴ 06:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All these players played before or at the age of 18 In the Premier League: Walcott, Ramsey, Rooney, Wilshire, Armand Traore, Stewart Downing, Daniel Sturridge, Phil Neville, Gary Neville, Jack Rodwell, Andy Carroll, Joe Cole, Frank Lampard, John Terry, Jamie Carragher, Michael Owen, Ryan Giggs, Phil Jones, Rafael, Fabio, But to name a few. If you refused to give them a page because they are 18 you are an idiot. There are plenty more young players play in the Premier league learn about the League before you comment. Once He makes his debut in a few months you will have to backtrack and allow the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazza25784 (talk • contribs) 12:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The player does not meet WP:NFOOTBALL - it is a simple as that. It has nothing to do with his age. Read WP:NFOOTBALL before making such comments, Lazza. Your language is inappropriate.Keallu (talk) 19:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete - per G4. This article is not substantially different then the one that was previously deleted. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ifco tray

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Should have been prodded or CSD'ed but previosu AFD prevents it. Long unreferenced article with no significant claim to notability, and per previous afd there are no sources to significantly expand the article Sadads (talk) 09:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: It's a stub with one source. Meph^talk 16:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I managed to find two other verifiable sources this time around and have added them to the article. I've also copyedited to move the article toward a more general discussion of the use of these trays as returnable shipping containers and its effect on commerce, the environment and the tension between first-world consumers and third-world producers. I'm still nonplussed as to why such an ubiquitous product had so few easily locatable references. (I know it's OR to point out that I can see these every time I go shopping for fruit and veg.) Geoff ^{Who, me?} 01:32, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Coverage in the OECD booklet makes it notable, and also has neutral coverage with both pros and cons. FuFoFuEd (talk) 08:25, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- DQ (t) (e) 22:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It looks like the sources added by Glane are enough to demonstrate notability. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete per consensus, per WP:UPANDCOMING and as an unsourced BLP. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Steven Joseph

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I originally BLP prodded this article, but I got tired of edit warring to keep the tag in place, so I thought this would be easier. Article claims multiple charting singles on the Canadian Hot 100, but I was unable to independently verify these claims. This article appears to be an extension of the subject's Facebook advertising campaign. --Bongwarrior (talk) 22:01, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article should not be deleted. I discovered that some of the information I had posted was falsified but the page should not be deleted as the artist has been listed through many internet websites and many magazine blogs. etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thecvntxo (talk • contribs) 22:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Tried and failed to find reliable sources even suggesting the notability of this subject. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 01:45, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wtf? Why are you going to delete this? Even if he has no sources I'm sure that he will. The kid is obviously an upcoming star! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.198.9.197 (talk) 04:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I can think of several AfDs off the top of my head where a handful of fans passionately argued that the wannabe subjects were surely destined for greatness. None were ever heard from again. When (and if) the subject here attracts genuine notice in the form of reliable sources, he can have an article on Wikipedia. Until that time, he can't. In the meantime, according to Billboard, he has never charted on the Canadian Hot 100, and I'm curiously unable to find any reference to the "Canadian iTunes Pop Chart" this article cites. ῲ Ravenswing ῴ 06:45, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, simply as a way of enforcing the BLP prod that can't be enforced otherwise. Once it's deleted, recreate as a redirect to Stephen Joseph. Nyttend (talk) 11:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Timur Khakimov

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fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG Zanoni (talk) 21:25, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - non-notable youth player who fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 21:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Argyle 4 Life^talk 22:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. WP:NSPORT specifically excludes youth footballers, and he quite clearly fails WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Don't Delete - The reason is that this footballplayer is as notable as other footballplayers in this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_FIFA_U-17_World_Cup#Goalscorers However, there pages are not put into question. Farid2053 (talk) 00:58, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. All the players on that list either explicitly meet WP:NSPORT or WP:GNG or should also be deleted. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. joe decker ^{talk to me} 18:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bought in

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I found this article that had an AfD temp put on it today, but there was no entry attached to it.

I have to say I agree with deleting the article per WP:NOT. I dream of horses (T) @ 20:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Dictionary definition of obscure auction jargon. I can't see how this topic can be covered encyclopedically. Cullen328 (talk) 21:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Probably merits a mention in auction or reserve price, but really no reason to have a stand-alone article on it. Qrsdogg (talk) 18:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete

Not notable, will be in the article auction. Also it is very small and if it wants to stay on wikipedia it needs to be made bigger. Willrocks10 (talk) 11:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep

Hi,

If you give me some time I could find some information for this page. This page could become a very good Wikipedia page. Normally, I find people delete pages without doing any research at all. Please bare with me.

Thanks, pbl1998

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Project West

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Article features original research and conclusions. Was previously nominated for Speedy Deletion; but does not meet any criteria; still, it meets the original research criterion for proposed deletion. Marechal Ney (talk) 20:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete. A conspiracy theory/attack page that's been speedied twice in the last two days, and doesn't have any reliable sourcing for its key assertions. Whatever's legitimate in here -- and that's next to nothing -- is already covered in the Washington Mutual article, making this also speediable as an illegitmate spinout. Just giving it a neutral code name doesn't make it much better than a "Project: Silence Vince Foster" or "Project: Fake the Weapons of Mass Destruction" article would be. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:38, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delta Warszawa

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Not a notable semi-pro football club in Warsaw, Poland Ajh1492 (talk) 18:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Week delete. I see no claim for notability in this poorly written article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not really a notable sports organization, no evidence of reliable sources in existance. --Jayron32 19:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No evidence that this club has participated in the national cup, therefore failing WP:FOOTYN; also fails WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 16:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There is no evidence of coverage, and they do not appear to have played in the national cup, meaning they fail both WP:GNG and WP:FOOTYN. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Note that the subject has requested deletion and that there is clearly a case of very marginal notability at best. Under BLP an admin closing an afd can delete in these circumstances. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:11, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Frazer Brown

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I am unconvinced that a producer and director of fringe theatre is of sufficient public interest to warrant a Wikipedia article. Few reliable independent sources mention him, none in any depth, and I see no evidence that he meets any of the WP:ENT criteria.

Aside from the question of the article's relevance as a whole, the article contains a number of substantial unsupported and/or misleading claims.

1. "Frazer Brown (born 13 April 1979) is a British film and theatrical producer, director, impresario, writer and actor. He is best known as the co-founder of the The Rival Theatre Company.[1] He is also the founder of Debonair Films International"

The link given in support of this claim is dead, and is in any case a social network page created by the subject of the article, which I do not believe could be considered a credible independent source.

2. "He is an alumnus of the New York Film Academy and has directed, produced and acted in numerous stage, film and television productions. He has been involved with projects at HBO, So Television, PBS and Vinyl Foote amongst others."

No source is given to support this claim.

3. "Theatre productions have included Nevermind The Broadway and Dorian Gray.[2]"

The source cited states only that a touring production of Nevermind the Broadway took place, and that Johndeep More, known for appearing on Any Dream Will Do, appeared in it. Neither Dorian Gray nor Mr Brown are mentioned.

4. "In 2008 he collaborated with Jason McHugh and Trey Parker on the stage production of Cannibal the Musical."

One of the links [5] provided to support this claim appears to be dead. The others confirm that the production took place, directed by Mr Brown and with Mr McHugh as executive producer and emergency stand-in actor. They do not provide any support for the claim that Mr Parker's involvement with the production extended beyond writing the book, lyrics and score of the film of which it was an adaptation, or even that he was aware the production was taking place.

5. "in 2010 he produced and directed the world premiere workshop of the musical stage adaptation of The Devil's Advocate.[6]with a libretto by author Andrew Neiderman with music composed by Dutch composer Sarif Tribou. [7]."

Link [6] is to Mr Neiderman's personal website and confirms that he and Mr Tribou have written the work in question, but makes no mention of Mr. Brown's involvement. Link [7] redirects to the front page of the Camden Fringe website, suggesting that the press release in question is no longer online.

6. "He is associated with the Young Vic Theatre through the Genesis Foundation [8] and is a production associate of Mercury Musical Developments."

The link confirms that Mr Brown is a member of the Young Vic Directors Programme, which anyone not in full time education who considers him/herself a director may join. It contains a profile of Mr Brown written by himself. No mention is made of the Genesis Foundation or the Mercury Musical Developments.

7. "Early life

Frazer Christian James Aaron Brown was born in London to Eric William John Brown JR and Christine Mary Brown (née Cleveland). He has one younger sibling Verity.

Brown grew up in Ashford, Middlesex. He attended Ashford CofE primary school before attending Bishop wand Secondary School. He then went on to study Art, Film, Law and Performing Arts at Spelthorne College and Photography and Film studies at Brooklands College."

No support is given for any part of this section.

8. "During this time he made his West End debut in the Bill Kenwright musical Robin: Prince of Sherwood at the Piccadilly Theatre amongst other stage and television appearances including The Bill."

No support is given for any part of this statement. However, Mr Brown's IMDB page - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2114253/ - confirms that he appeared in a 1996 episode of The Bill entitled "Chatterbox" as a Gang Member.

9. "Comic Book Career 1994-1997

During his late teens Brown worked as a freelance illustrator and became a regular contributor to Theatre Mask as well as illustrating the theatrical posters and programmes for local dramatic companies. An avid comic collector, Aged 16 he formed his own small press company Embryo Comics, publishing, writing and illustrating the short-lived series Creatures of the Night, Trapped and Quantum Bob. He also had his work published in 2000ad and Defective Comics. His teenage comic career was the focus of the ‘comics’ episode of the educational Television series UK Kids. In 1996 he appeared as a guest at Caption and contributed to Angels of Deception -- the same issue featured Ian Churchill’s comic debut."

No part of this section is supported by references.

10. "Film and Theatre Career 2002 onwards

Between 2002 and 2005 Brown graduated from the New York Film Academy and co-founded The Rival Theatre Company and Debonair Films International. He was the UK based producer for Red Sky Pictures and Great Scott Films. Working on Snow Blind and The Cake Eaters (which was passed on to a different production company) amongst others. He was nominated for 'Best supporting actor' at the Woking Drama Festival for his portrayal Collatine in an adaptation of William Shakespeares sonnet The Rape of Lucrece.[10]"

This link is dead. Moreover, Casting Call Pro biographies are edited by their subjects and do not require verification.

11. "He currently produces, writes and directs independent productions in both theatre and film. He continues to act, sometimes in his own projects as well as external work. In 2009 he produced the short film Rapunzel, directed by Pietra Mello-Pittman in association with Sisters Grimm ltd. The movie received production consultancy from Mike Figgis and was shot using Red Digital Cinema Camera Company technology.[11]"

The linked site confirms that Ms Mello-Pittman directed the film in question, that Mr Figgis consulted on it, and that the camera system in question was used. No mention is made of Mr Brown. He is, however, credited as the film's producer on IMDB.

12. "In 2010 he was due to revive his production of Cannibal! The Musical at the leicester Square Theatre in the West End however this production was cancelled after rights were withdrawn [12]"

The linked article confirms that the production was scheduled to take place and was cancelled. Quotations attributed by the article to Mr Brown state that the rights were never legally granted. Nevertheless, the existence of such an article in a major trade publication represents in my opinion this article's strongest claim to relevance.

13. "Comedy

Brown had a small part in the controversial television series Brass Eye acting alongside Chris Morris. He created and wrote the satirical show Nevermind The Broadway and conceived and produced Hamlet (abridged) at The Etcetera theatre in collaboration with Simon Kane, writer for That Mitchell and Webb Look and Erik Wiener of Famous last nerds, and others. He was a technical consultant on So Graham Norton in New York, and has written sketches for Fox Sports News. In 2008 he directed Cannibal! The Musical from a script and score by Trey Parker. The same year he founded the LOL comedy evening at the etcetera theatre with comedienne Charlotte Jo Hanbury. Acts have included David Whitney, Vicky Stone, Tiffany Stevenson and Fergus Craig In July 2008 he wrote and performed in the play Hello in an attempt to break the Guinness World Record for world's shortest play.[13][14]"

Link [13] confirms that Hello was performed at the 2008 Camden Fringe Festival, and that it was intended to break the Guiness World Record for world's shortest play, although it is not clear that this attempt was noted or validated by Guiness World Records. Mr. Brown's involvement in the 2008 production of Cannibal! The Musical is confirmed by links [3] and [4]. No support is given for any other part of this section, although Mr Brown's aforementioned IMDB page - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2114253/ - confirms that he appeared in Brass Eye.

86.6.138.162 (talk) 02:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: this is not my AFD, I'm good-faith submitting it for the IP who wanted it. tedder (talk) 17:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Holy cow, what a nomination. Is there a golden mean between the dullards who state "Non-notable" and leave it at that and this footnoted essay? I hope so. That said, I wanted to pass along something I learned today on Wikipedia: did you know that an "impresario" is fancy-pants Italian for a "promoter" in contemporary rock and roll lingo? Cool. More to follow. Carrite (talk) 01:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Gag-inducing photo of an Oscar that is not his aside, it seems to me that there is a sufficient corpus of work to merit encyclopedic biography. I'm too lazy to go beyond OTHERSTUFF on this guy, but he's produced enough that I think he's probably notable in WP terms. I hate plays, mind you, but if this guy were a band, we wouldn't be asking these questions. He has done enough. Carrite (talk) 01:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I see no significant or well-known work, or collective body of work that satisfies WP:CREATIVE. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Plenty of ref need to be added and it needs to be tidied up, google shows enough reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmfan2424 (talk • contribs) 10:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

comment - I am Frazer Brown. and I am more than happy to have this page removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:FrazerBrown — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.16.159 (talk) 10:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree that there is little significant work that satisfies WP:CREATIVE, and this appears to be the second time that deletion of this page has been debated. I disagree that google shows enough reliable sources - a quick search for Frazer Brown results in sources that are unreliable or user created. Also, it appears that "Filmfan2424", who comments above about keeping the page, is the creator of the page, and possibly Frazer Brown himself. User:gaylethomas —Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]

comment - I did start the article, but i'm not the subject, happy to discuss policy if i've broken it by adding to this conversation? I've taken on board the notes above and changed most of the article to fit including ref added. all the best — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmfan2424 (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 20:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of Mobile Suit Gundam SEED vehicles and aircraft

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Previous AfD was closed as a procedural keep because the nominator was a sockpuppet. As the closing administrator commented that this article could be immediately relisted, I'm nomination it again with the same argument that I gave in the previous AfD.

All the content in the article is original research by synthesis at best. The article does not provide even one reference. There is no presumption that the topic meets the general notability guideline with no sources. The content itself is exclusively a plot-only description of a fictional work and, because of this, the list does not meet the criteria of appropriate topics for lists. I believe that is article is merely an unsourced content fork of Mobile Suit Gundam SEED, with no real justification to its existence. Since nothing is referenced, I do not think that a merge is deserved or that any other alternative than deletion is valid. Jfgslo (talk) 17:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOT, this level of in-universe detail is not well suited to Wikipedia. Would be more appropriate in a Wikia fansite, but not here at Wikipedia. --Jayron32 19:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NOTABILITY, and is just all plot info. If someone wants to transfer this to a wikia feel free. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete If people need info on that subject, they could just check the Anime/Manga's own Wikia page. Rxlxm (talk) 03:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Transwiki and/or delete. Unnecessary level of detail. OSborn^arf_contribs. 16:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this load of unneeded, non-notable information (WP:NOR, WP:GNG and WP:NOT#PLOT), although I wouldn't mind that this list should be transferred to Wikia. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- this should not have been closed and relisted. Once a deletion discussion contains any good-faith delete votes, speedy or procedural keep is off the table and the discussion should have been allowed to run its course. Reyk _YO! 08:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. I see no substantial, policy-based reasons for deletion, and the consensus is overwhelmingly in favor of keeping the article. -- Atama頭 18:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Camel toe

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Articles for deletion/Camel toe (2nd nomination)

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Recently a more complete Wiktionary entry has been created for this term. Also, this article's deletion will pave the way for an article of arguably encyclopedic to be tentatively created on the subject of dress/fashion through the ages and profiling of the groin. (See guidelines wp:DICTIONARY, wp:NEO.)--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 19:46, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per my above nom. Any content from current dictionary-type entry that might fit in another article or articles of course could be contributed there.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 19:46, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on grounds that is was dubiously nominated. Nominater has recently made various efforts to rename/move/merge the article to those that he saw as being more accurate. Once those were closed per snowball, he has nominated the article for deletion, citing Wiktionary. Suspicion is that once this article is deleted (should it come to that,) he will simply recreate it as his prefered version with the previously rejected names and content. Hence suspicion is that user is playing the game. a_man_alone (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Despite my reference to guidelines, this AfD was dubiously nominated, according to an assumption of bad faith? How does the fact that !voted to delete the Moose knuckle article (to which you refer) fit into your solipsistic arugument?--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; while the current content is largely dictionary content and should be transwikied, the concept of a camel toe is quite notable beyond merely the term used for it. We can and should have an article on the concept. Powers ^T 20:27, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If the sources only told us the definition of the term over and over, thousands of times according to Google, then we'd only have a dictionary definition. This is the case with a number of related genitalia-obsessed neologisms that have been acting out for unwarranted attention of late. But this article cites at least three [2][3][4] sources which both use the term camel toe and give more information and insight than the definition alone. The article should be improved by expanding content based on these sources, and deleting or de-emphasizing the Common circumstances and Camel toe vs. bulge sections. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:54, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep This is a POINTy nomination, as described by a_man_alone. The nom is sore because his recent articles about visible penis line and moose knuckle were deleted, and he'd like to take away everybody's marbles. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I at first agreed visible penis line should be deleted, then changed my mind and believed it a straightforward description of groin profiling in fashion. As for moose knuckle, I agreed that it should be deleted as nommed.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 17:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep nominator is losing a requested move (see Talk:Camel toe) so is nominating article for deletion instead. 65.94.47.63 (talk) 03:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge It is only a short article about which there is not a great deal to say. I think it could be incorporated/merged into the article Wardrobe malfunction Amandajm (talk) 09:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's a different concept, about actually displaying body parts. --Enric Naval (talk) 10:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The term has actually made main-stream vocabulary (see songs written about it, and a product that is dedicated to prevent said problem). More than enough references to establish notability and article is more than a dicdef. Wildthing61476 (talk) 17:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Enough realworld notability to meet WP:GNG. Lugnuts (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, WP:POINT. The Mark of the Beast (talk) 23:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Slang term; no encyclopedic content. Wikipedia is not the Urban Dictionary. The definition is at Wiktionary where it belongs. The illustrations are idiotic. Yeah, we get it: "I can see pussy lips through tight shorts!" Yeah, we get it: "Haw haw, those jokesters inserted a picture of a real camel's toe!" Wanna know why we have a problem attracting female editors?!? Gimme a fucking break. Puerile. Idiotic. No serious content extant or possible. I don't care if this is 27-to-1 in favor of Keep, there is no rational argument to be made for retaining this. Carrite (talk) 00:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 00:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC) [reply]
Keep Satisfies GNG, also, as Malik says above, I have concerns that the AfD may be WP:POINTy in nature. -- nsaum75 ^{!Dígame¡‎} 00:05, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
keep Meets notability in that it has enough reliable sources. We can find a subject to be silly, juvenile, offensive, disturbing, disgusting, puerile, idiotic, or have a thousand other negatives. That doesn't remove notability. JoshuaZ (talk) 02:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Which legendarily awesome "reliable sources" are you referring to? Might it be "Cameltoe Alert" in Salon.com? Or perhaps the exhaustive coverage of the encyclopedic concept in "Fashion Tip in Rap for Brooklyn Girls" in the New York Times which explains about a song lyric "Cameltoe is slang for a fashion faux pas caused by women wearing snug pants." WOW!!! That's a reliable source, the New York Times used the word once! How about "Anatomy of a Cameltoe, part 1" in that legendary independent, substantial, and reliable source, Fashion Incubator. Ooooo, they made it a two-parter. There ARE no reliable sources, this is a dictionary definition of a slang term with humorous photos. Closing administrator: This is not a vote. Decide this nomination on its merits. Carrite (talk) 23:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

keep this is elitist, deletionist stuff and nonsense, brought up only as moose knuckle is wrongly up for deletion. Both terms are subject to enough comment that a comprehensive encyclopedia entry is justified. Wikipedia is not finished and not paper. μηδείς (talk) 04:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Urban Dictionary is UD:NOTFINISHED and UD:NOTPAPER either, which is where this belongs. Carrite (talk) 23:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This "point" contention is going over my head. For example, from the !vote on grounds of dubious nomination, "I don't understand your premise I'm sincerely here for clarity. You wrote: "Nominater has recently made various efforts to rename/move/merge the article to those that he saw as being more accurate. Once those were closed per snowball, he has nominated the article for deletion, citing Wiktionary. Suspicion is that once this article is deleted (should it come to that,) he will simply recreate it as his prefered version with the previously rejected names and content. Hence suspicion is that user is playing the game"--isn't Wikipedia an encycliopedia-"Wiki" that anybody can edit, each edit subject to the consensus of the community, with wp:BRD as always in play? What is the harm in my suggesting that a future article possibly cover the concept of groin profiling in fashion, per my nom? It seems the gist of these pointy arguments is a personal one: namely, are about "this editor (not this edit, this concept, etc.) that is bogus," then adding whatever arguments ad hoc, whose only rationally consistent theme is to oppose me personally. This is how it feels to me, anyway. Thanks.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 13:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It seems fairly clear to most editors here, but to summarize; You suggested changes to the article that were not accepted by the consensus, so have instead put it up for deletion, whereupon you will almost certainly attempt to once again reintroduce your prefered versions into any new pages created, as per your own comments at the top: "this article's deletion will pave the way for an article of arguably encyclopedic to be tentatively created on the subject of dress/fashion through the ages and profiling of the groin" a_man_alone (talk) 14:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I got the "normal editing of Wikipedia" part, per you recitation of events (my wishing to have a narrow term deleted and a broader one used instead). What I don't get is the "disruption of Wikipedia" identified under wp:POINT part.

"A commonly used shortcut to this page is WP:POINT. However, just because someone is making a point does not mean that they are disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate it, which is the only type of behavior which should be considered "POINTY". It is worthwhile to study the above examples, to gain an understanding of this guideline's purpose."---Wikipedia:NOTPOINTY

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You are wasting all of our time with this nomination - hence disruption. I'm done here. No further comments from me. a_man_alone (talk) 18:26, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I stand by my AfD. Indeed, if we can break the sort of frat boy wp:OWNership logjam, guidelines be damned, that occur at articles of this type (due the biases of such articles' habitués) and move encyclopedic coverage of this slang term to an article whose topic is (A) more NPOV in its connotations, if possible (2) more all-inclusive in its scope, through its encompassing, for example, more eras of fashion or even, I dare say, both genders (3) more inclined to be supported by scholarly sources--it would be a good thing, worthy of Wikipedia's ideals and goals. Yet, those who argue "POINT" reveal themselves (A) AGAINST openly debating such things (in order to subject them to a careful parsing of WP's guidelines and analysis of WP's ultimate mission and objectives)! (B) IN FAVOR of clogging up discussion pages with considerations of user conduct (when the guidelines clearly indicate the same is NOT to be done in discussion areas)!--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 17:03, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think anyone intends to take action against you for disruption at this point, but I also think that you should heed the consensus that this campaign of yours is unhelpful to Wikipedia, and stop it. Andrewa (talk) 21:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Decide whether to substitute with a soft redirect to the Wiktionary entry by ordinary talk page discussion. If there's a point to be made here, that point is that there is no need for an administrator to delete the page history of this article - apart from a lack of information, there's nothing to object to. To the contrary, if that is done, it means that the original contributors who created the stuff I moved over to Wiktionary will no longer be properly credited. Also, there are some bits and pieces of content which, while rather obvious, I didn't manage to stuff into the Wiktionary article as quotes. Someone with experience in that project might be able to scrounge up something else to transfer over. I started a discussion along this line at WP:DICT's talk page, though it didn't sound like I was getting enough support last I looked - nonetheless, I feel my logic is right, especially for this example. Wnt (talk) 02:10, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It may not be the most important topic, but it's encyclopedic and this has now been repeatedly affirmed by rough consensus both here and at WP:RM, so strongly suggest giving it a break. Andrewa (talk) 07:24, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- See further comment to this effect above. Andrewa (talk) 21:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect to your status as an admin, user:Andrewa, I simply believe that it plain and simple that bogus accusations of WP:POINT (namely, the characterization of my having filed the Camel toe AfD as an illicit campaign) OUGHT to be brought to the appropriate forum and sorted out, to avoid such false accusations from being bandied about as a bullying tactic to stifle debate--since, of course, by any reading at all of best wp:EDITing practices on Wikipedia, what most definately is helpful to the project is to debate various interpretations of the guidelines offered in good faith, as, of course, it is exactly just these types of debates that establlish what the current editing consensus on Wikipedia should be thought to be. Further, 'tis the vio of Assuming Good Faith and the clogging up of discussions with commentary about other editors that is not in line with WP's most basic policies.(I also posted on this question here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Why_is_it_OK_to_.22emptily.22_accuse_good_faith_AfD.27s_as.2C_quote.2C_pointy.2C_unquote.28.3F.3F.3F.3F.21.21.3F.3F.3F.29.)--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 14:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not acting as an admin here, and wouldn't regard it as proper to do so now, having cast a vote. I was just trying to give some advice, as any user can, and frankly I still think it good advice. See also User talk:Andrewa#With all due respect to your status as an admin, sir <smiles>. Andrewa (talk) 21:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - As a paraphrase of the old legal saw, "If the guidelines are on your side, lay out your argument according to a detailed examination of the guidelines; if the editing histories are on your side, lay out the applicable diffs; but if neither are on your side, confuse the matter by attacking your disputant's motives and character." I have absolutelly no idea where anyone got the impression I have posted more than one AfD and one RM on this topic. The record plainly shows, after another editor moved most of Camel toe to Wiktionary, in good faith I posted this present AfD--my first and only one ever on this topic--on June 18 and that prior to this Wikitionary entry having been expanded, I had suggested alternate rubrics for the slang term camel toe via an RM--likewise my one and only, ever--here: Talk:Camel_toe#Requested move. To draw an analogy from the essay wp:Don't revert due to "no consensus" [first paragraph of essay's lede]:
"Sometimes editors will undo a change, justifying their revert merely by saying that there is 'no consensus' for the change, or by simply asking the original editor to 'first discuss'. Except possibly on pages that describe long-standing Wikipedia policy, this is not very helpful. After all, that you reverted the edit already shows that there is no consensus."' "[¶ ... ¶ ... ¶ ...]"
--in this case, we have a wolfpack of editors alleging I am conducting some kind of campaign due to my personal preferences and therefore having been guilty of violating wp:POINT. If that makes for a so-called consensus, despite there being no detailed explanation backing up this claim, then such consensus is meaningless. That's why we have ANI. These points (pardon the pun) should have been hashed out there and not on the discussion pages themselves IMO.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 16:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Lugnuts (talk · contribs) ╟─Treasury Tag►UK EYES ONLY─╢ 15:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Milner Schools

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Delete Advert without sources containing hyperbole. JRPG (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete deep NPOV issues. Stuartyeates (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Lord Milner. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 21:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete NPOV issues have not been resolved. RA0808 ^talk _contribs 16:17, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Nom Warfieldian (talk) 14:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Clear advertisement.--BristolRobin (talk) 13:50, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TUFFEM UP Records

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New record label that has no claims of notability. None of the bands they represent appear to have any claims of notability, and all Google hits appear to be from music downloading sites and blogs. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No evidence of notability; no sig-cov. ╟─Treasury Tag►most serene─╢ 16:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Non Deletion' Notability at a company level does not Apply as this is a Entertainment Group "This guideline does not cover small groups of closely related people such as families, entertainment groups, co-authors, and co-inventors covered by WP:Notability (people)." — 16:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Comment This is not an "entertainment group": that would be a band or other such ensemble. This is a record label, which, by definition, is a corporation, whether they choose to call themselves one or not. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Non Deletion~~one !vote per user Label and artists is supported and recognized on Itunes http://itunes.apple.com/au/album/rapid-fire-ep/id405340638 , http://itunes.apple.com/au/album/the-boss-ep/id394765269A Simple Google Search is not enough to be the key judge on the lack of notability. — 16:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarterCronk (talk • contribs)

Comment Define recognition. The mere presence of music on iTunes is meaningless: anyone can post music for sale on iTunes; this does not make the label notable. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is incorrect, music cannot simply be posted on itunes, it needs to be sent to a distribution retailer like www.believedigital.com accounts with companies like these, requires regular releases, and contracts.

The point is, it's trivially easy to get music up on iTunes, if you're willing to pay what's necessary - there's no notability conferred by having it listed there, just as a self-published book gains no notability just because the writer went through the hoops to get it listed on Amazon. MikeWazowski (talk) 14:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - An up and coming new firm that has insufficient operation to date to assert notability. Fails both WP:ORG and WP:PEOPLE. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unremarkable small record company. No real indications of notability, no significant coverage from reliable third party sources. MikeWazowski (talk) 14:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Physical cosmology. Kurykh (talk) 03:27, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmic evolution

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Not notable Fashionslide (talk) 16:25, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Cosmic Evolution is the title of a 2002 new-age/religious book by Eric Chaisson, an astrophysicist at Tufts, where he is director of the Wright Center for Science Education. User User:Wrightcenter, who appears to be affiliated with Chaisson's Wright Center, has participated in editing the article and in defending it on its talk page. The article presents cosmic evolution as "the scientific study of universal change," but cosmic evolution is not a recognized or widely discussed scientific theory, it is an attempt at a spiritual synthesis with input from science. Chaisson does not describe it as a scientific theory. He describes its purpose as "to sketch a grand evolutionary synthesis that would better enable us to understand who we are, whence we came, and how we fit into the overall scheme of things." The article attempts to puff up the ideas in Chaisson's book into a scientific theory, and into one that is widely discussed, by giving a long list of references. Nearly all of these references are to books that came out before Chaisson coined the phrase "cosmic evolution" in his 2002 book. For example, there is a reference to the 1980 popular science book Cosmos, by Carl Sagan, who died six years before Chaisson published his book. There are references to a long list of new-age/religious books by Frederick Turner, most of them predating Chaisson's. The body of the article also freely invokes the authority of various academics as supporters for cosmic evolution, without citing any verifiable source to show that those people consider themselves supporters. For example: "The emergentist psychology of Clare Graves, which sees the human mind and societies as co-emerging into more complex levels, also fits well into the cosmic evolution paradigm." Although Chaisson's book has been reviewed favorably by noted scientists such as G.F.R. Ellis and E.O. Wilson, (a) they reviewed it as religion and philosophy, not as science, and (b) a favorably reviewed book is still just a book, not a notable field of scientific study in its own right. --Fashionslide (talk) 16:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Simply redirect to Physical cosmology, which is the scientific field that studies the evolution of the cosmos. The present article is largely an unsalvageable and incoherent amalgam of OR and NN pseudoscientific drivel. --Lambiam 21:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as per Lambiam. Salt if needed. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirecting makes sense to me.--Fashionslide (talk) 01:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The current article is a confusing read and largely unsupported. I could find nothing salvageable in the current article, but if other editors think the article history might prove useful then a simple redirect would be fine. Timeline of the Big Bang is the article I was expecting, and I think would make a better redirect target. - 2/0 (cont.) 01:50, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Big Bang is just one (although the leading) theory of cosmic evolution, and therefore redirecting to the Timeline article implies Wikipedia has a preference for that specific theory; in that respect Physical cosmology is more neutral. While I don't particularly care for the article history, it is harmless, and "cosmic evolution" is a plausible search term. --Lambiam 09:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note Wrightcenter (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) proclaimed itself to be a role account, and I have blocked it indefinitely. Please keep an eye out for new individual accounts registered by the people who controlled that account and be careful to be especially welcoming of them. - 2/0 (cont.) 02:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The account had no registered activities for over two years anyway, so any individuals who used it have either become inactive or started using other accounts. --Lambiam 09:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Joanna Quail

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This article is about a musical artist that is built entirely from primary sources. I have searched for independent coverage about her and have not turned up any. Searches for critical reception about her works have been equally fruitless. Note that I cam across this article when looking into Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonver, the AFD for a group which she was a member of. Whpq (talk) 14:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I can't find any significant coverage for this musician in reliable sources; does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO at this time. Gongshow ^Talk 19:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - T P 16:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per lack of notability. I searched "Joanna Quail" on both Yahoo and Google, receiving the same results (official website, Myspace, and Last.fm). SwisterTwister talk 21:05, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gay Free Zone

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Gives the impression of being about a concept but is actually about a non-notable event. PROD removed without explanation. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 16:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Censorship in the United Kingdom, where this otherwise non-notable event has any significance. Owen× ☎ 17:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Does not appear to meet any of the criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (events). I'm also not convinced that this topic is notable enough to be merged into another article, and so for that reason I disagree with the proposal to merge this into Censorship in the United Kingdom. —Tommyjb (talk) 18:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable single news story that does not establish the concept or term as being in general use. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this article is written neutrally, properly sourced and about a concept that many would seek to research - ergo encyclopedic. As for non notable event - an African-American woman once broke the rules by sitting at the front of a bus, which gave rise to the American Civil Rights Movement and Martin Luther King. Do we on wiki deny the right of unfavourable concepts to exist? This article needs to be kept and developed. Mark^Dask 21:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A single event and not especially notable. I agree with the nominator that this article seeks to represent that event as a concept, something which is not supported by the attendant sources. Merging with Censorship in the United Kingdom would best be discussed on the talkpage of that article, rather than being determined via the agency of this discussion. Miss E. Lovetinkle (talk) 21:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Lovetinkle - read your homepage and love your name - describes every heteroman's favourite place. Mark^Dask 21:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as stated by Miss E. Lovetinkle, the article attempts to establish a concept based on a (OK-sourced) single event. Would support merging with Censorship in the United Kingdom. jsfouche ☽☾Talk 02:08, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to History of Firefox. History of Firefox is the main article about the history of Firefox releases. Releases for which limited verifiable information is available at the present time, like FF5, FF6, and FF7, should be described entirely within that article. Releases like FF4 which have extensive verifiable information should (and do) have sections in that article with {{main}} referring to a more complete article. I will perform this merge myself. Dcoetzee 08:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Firefox 7

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I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:

— Fleet Command (talk) 14:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At least keep FF5. - Firefox 5 is officially being released tomorrow; why delete now? Island Monkey ^{talk the talk} 15:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]
- It is released now. I am using it. (Though they haven't updated their site yet.) But released or not released; we don't keep a heap of junk in Wikipedia, do we? Fleet Command (talk) 16:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep and expand FF5,~~ delete FF5, FF6, FF7 - Mozilla decided to update Firefox even more frequently ^([5]), so FF5, FF6 and FF7 aren't needed. kongr43gpen ^Talk 15:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, if you wish, you can take the heap of indiscriminate data to your talk page and incubate it there. Post it back to main space whenever there was more than just list of meaningless version numbers. Fleet Command (talk) 16:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Or you can merge with Firefox... Fleet Command (talk) 16:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, I think that merging is the best solution, as minor articles like these can't be better than start-class articles --kongr43gpen ^Talk 08:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Firefox 5 Don't care what happens to Firefox 7 though you will probably stunt the growth of the article and it at least seems notable enough. Marcus Qwertyus 17:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. This version doesn't need its own article. However, keep Firefox 5.Jasper Deng (talk) 17:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep FF5. Delete FF6, and FF7 - Firefox 5 will be released tomorrow. Why delete it? Roambassador (talk) 00:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep FF5 (which will be released within 24 hours anyway) and Merge FF6 and FF7 into the main Mozilla Firefox entry until they are suitable to break off into their own respective articles. Having separate articles for FF6 & 7 right now is probably inappropriate because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, but eventually such articles may become necessary.

Forgive me for quoting policy here, but:

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Wikipedia is not a collection of product announcements and rumors. While Wikipedia includes up-to-date knowledge about newly revealed products, short articles that consist only of product announcement information are not appropriate. Until such time that more encyclopedic knowledge about the product can be verified, product announcements should be merged to a larger topic (such as an article about the creator(s), a series of products, or a previous product) if applicable. Speculation and rumor, even from reliable sources, are not appropriate encyclopedic content.

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OK, I'm done now. --Eastlaw ^talk ⁄ _contribs 04:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, we surely forgive you for citing the policy because that is the correct course of action! In an AfD people do two thing: 1. Mention the policy 2. Completely disregard the policy and vote.

Fleet Command (talk) 06:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that having an article for each new version of Firefox (6,7,8...) would be just like having articles for each version of Google Chrome. --kongr43gpen ^Talk 07:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose you are right. But what I don't understand is that how comes you made 5 an exception? Fleet Command (talk) 11:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, this is the first version that has been coded so early. In fact, the comment above could be added. --kongr43gpen ^Talk 12:45, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is my view. Firefox 5 is the start of short release cycles, and rapidly increasing version numbers similar to Google Chrome. I favour all three being merged into Firefox. -- Fluteflute ^Talk ^{Contributions} 19:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chrome has been going through nearly one major version number per month. FF is aiming for six months, and has more development activity in general. The difference is at least an order of magnitude. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 22:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. I don't think the Firefox 5, Firefox 6, and Firefox 7 articles have enough information on them to remain separate articles. I think it would be better for them to be merged with the Firefox article. --Jesant13 (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 5 (as it is a notable release of a major browser), redirect 6 and 7 to Firefox (as plausible search terms). Not enough info on 6 or 7 to justify a new article. TheWeakWilled (T * G) 15:24, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. I agree with Jesant13 that versions 5 through 7 should be merged into the main article. Kiranerys-talk 17:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)-[reply]
Keep as it has been released and will eventually get a lot of reviews. --Hinata talk 17:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. Starting with Firefox 5, Mozilla has stepped up the release schedule, so there will only be minor changes between major versions of Firefox now, not really worth an extra article for each. For demonstration, here are the release dates. Notice how there are only a few months between FF4 and FF5, and it will continue like this.

initial release
2.0 oct 2006
3.0 jun 2008
3.5 jun 2009
3.6 jan 2010
4.0 mar 2011
5.0 jun 2011

--Pizzahut2 (talk) 20:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 5, as it is released now. Redirect 6 and 7 to Firefox. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Firefox 5 but merge and redirect Firefox 6 and 7 into ~~Firefox~~. At the moment the latter 2 do not have sufficient information to justify notability, however, I feel that the Firefox 5 article should be left to grow. Themeparkgc Talk 09:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I feel rather than merging into Firefox as I had previously stated, Firefox 6 and 7 should be merged into History of Firefox. My vote to keep Firefox 5 remains the same. Themeparkgc Talk 23:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all Firefox 3, 3.6, 4, 5, 6 and 7 articles into Firefox. For consistency. —Fitoschido // Leave me a shout! 20:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
NO! Merging makes no sense. Because merging makes less information available. And what I find absolutely baffling is why merge Firefox 4? That was a major release! I'll admit, Firefox 5 is not a major release, but Firefox 4 was. And it has plenty of sources. --Hinata talk 15:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it makes sense. If not, why History of Firefox exists? —Fitoschido ^[shout] \\ 23 June, 2011 [22:18]
No, it doesn't. 2,3,4 were major Firefox releases, milestones. Chrome's ones are being released very fast, in two months there'll be a new version of Chrome. Did you check out the Wikipedia articles about 3, 3.6 and 4? They could expand even more. However, what can be put on articles about minor releases, such as FF 6? Only in Firefox 5 Mozilla's new fast release system and critisism for this could be mentioned. --kongr43gpen ^Talk 07:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Fitoschido, this deletion discussion is about 5, 6 and 7 only, the primary reason for their nomination clearly does not apply to the other Firefox articles that you named. If you wish to propose to a merge of other articles you must open a separate discussion, wherein you will encounter extreme opposition. Remember, consistency would only amount to an inadequate excuse in the face of Wikipedia:Notability or Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Fleet Command (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 5 as it is released now. Merge. 6 and 7 articles into Firefox — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.76.110.214 (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC) [reply]
Wikipedia has no obligation whatsoever to have an article on released software. Released or not, Firefox 5 article does not meet the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia which are Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. (Previous released versions of Firefox do meet these criteria.) Fleet Command (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Not sure why they just didn't name it 4.1, but its always been illogical with them. Firefox 21 Forever! — Dispenser 23:08, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Why are there all the Firefox 1, 2, 3, 3.5, 3,6, and 4 articles then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.211.96 (talk) 01:27, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, because 1, 2, 3, and 4 were each a new mighty version! But 5? You can't even tell the difference from 4 ... It should have been 4.00001. Fleet Command (talk) 11:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Firefox 5 is supposed to support CSS animation. And there are huge performance improvements. But why actually merge all Firefox articles? They aren't just release notes, they are major versions --kongr43gpen ^Talk 12:20, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Since Mozilla launched their new version policy there is no reason to create articles about every Firefox version. --Locos epraix ~ Beastepraix 01:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge These articles will never become of higher quality than Start-Class, so there is not much point in having separate articles for web browsers. WhiteSGPlayer (talk) 14:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all into either Firefox or an article similar to List of Ubuntu releases. Individual articles for 5/6/7 are redundant now Mozilla uses a time-based release schedule. -Halo (talk) 16:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We already have an History of Firefox. —Fitoschido ^[shout] \\ 23 June, 2011 [22:18]

Merge all - current press coverage indicates that these coming releases will not be major updates like Firefox 4 was. There certainly isn't enough unique content for each article, particularly the articles for 6 and 7. And Firefox 5 certainly wasn't a milestone release like 4 was. --Jtalledo (talk) 16:56, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: If all of the version specific content is merged into the parent article Firefox then the main article becomes bloated. It is far more valuable if the main article is kept concise and the detail on individual releases are collected in distinct, focused, articles.

While v5 is not visibly a milestone release, such as v4 was; it reprents a big improvement in security and stability. While v4 was vulnerable to various instabilities, memory leakages and buggy websites; v5 seems on the basis of various credible reviews to be a significant if not substantial improvement. This is likely why v4 is no longer supported, although v3.6 (currently v3.6.18, released 2011-06-21) still is.

To those who feel that Wikipedia should not be a directory of changelogs or release notes I would counter that the information presented is of significant contemporary interest and should be captured by a Wiki. If that is not Wikipedia, I would vote in favour of creating a new Wikimedia Wiki (maybe Wikiapps or something similar) and carve-out such Wikipedia articles into the new Wiki; so that we don't continually have this struggle over those who favour deleting, obviously relevant and impartial, reference material regarding computer applications in particular, and ICT applications in general.

Enquire (talk) 22:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all to Firefox, which can be updated as needed. And it is not likely to go beyond start-class. --The Σ ^talk_contribs 23:11, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Why would you delete the Firefox wikipedia entry? Trust me, there are people out there who don't know what Firefox is. That's why you should keep it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shovenose (talk • contribs) 00:05, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is not about the Firefox article, but about the Firefox 5, Firefox 6 and Firefox 7 articles --kongr43gpen ^Talk 07:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, to the people saying delete. Since FF5, FF6 FF7 would all be plausible search terms, why not just redirect rather than delete? TheWeakWilled (T * G) 00:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The Firefox 5 article does not contain enough information to justify having its own page. The list of features and public reviews can easily be summarized into a paragraph or two in the main Firefox article. The version history is completely redundant. I am OK with redirecting search terms for Firefox 5 to the relevant section of the Firefox article. All future releases of Firefox should merit the same treatment. Siddharth Prabhu (talk) 03:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Someone posted something at the talk page. kongr43gpen ^Talk 07:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I sympathise with both viewpoints. There is a clear argument for following WP policy on Fx6 and Fx7 and they should be merged into the future versions section of the Firefox page, with redirects from the page titles to the relevent subsection of the page. Fx5 is a bit more complicated because of the existing pages for Fx2, Fx3, Fx3.5, etc.

We are in a situation of trying to determine how significant each version is and then trying to agree whether or not it deserves an article. What we need is to update community thinking in line with the publisher's change in version number policy. I suggest that we keep separate articles for versions that are in widespread use (maybe >20% of all version usage by counter statistics?) as in these circumstances, the detail will be of obvious interest and benefit to readers. A new version that people are likely to upgrade to would probably also merit a separate article on the basis of reader interest. All other articles should be merged into Firefox or History of Firefox. Wikiwayman (talk) 08:24, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But there is no reason to keep articles that cannot expand at all. Articles like FF6 and FF7 could also provide useful information if they were merged into History of Firefox. Users would search for Firefox 6 and then be redirected to History of Firefox#Firefox 6. --kongr43gpen ^Talk 08:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep FF7 is now at the stage of having a released alpha, which would seem to meet WP:CRYSTAL and the comparable guidelines for large projects like film-making. This is obviously going to be an important product and we will require an article on it. The question is not whether to, but when to. As there's now public product visible, I'd claim that we've reached that point. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
FF7 may meet WP:CRYSTAL but is it significant enough? It is a minor release, whose article can't have so much information. Just like Google Chrome --kongr43gpen ^Talk 08:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep FF5 due to consistency, but redirect FF6 and FF7 to the main article, at least for now. Why not treat FF5 like other previous versions? I understand it has not changed much, but there still could new information added, such as reviews, etc. Unless you want to redirect all of the versions of Firefox, I think they should remain separate. Indynchild (talk) 09:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia has no obligation whatsoever to have an article for consistency's sake only. Consistent or not, Firefox 5 article still does not meet the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia which are Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. (Previous Firefox articles do meet these criteria.) Also please see WP:WAX. Fleet Command (talk) 09:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the idea that Firefox 5 fails Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not criteria. It is the current release, is already used by millions and has been reviewed by numerous critics. The problem we have is that many people (including critics) don't see it as a full version. There's almost enough material out there for an article entitled "Controversy of whether Firefox 5 is a new version"! Please read my comment above, re: community thinking; we need some kind of measure of whether or not articles on specific software iterations are of interest to Wikipedia readers. Wikiwayman (talk) 10:46, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I don't exactly see "used by millions" and "reviewed by numerous critics"; hence WP:NRVE fails. But I won't push it. Fleet Command (talk) 12:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Firefox 5 since it's a major software release (we have Internet Explorer 9, which is less widely used). The others are crystal (except for maybe one future version, FF6, for which something is known)
Merge all. Individual releases of a software application are not notable enough to require separate articles for each one -- at least not releases that are so close together and contain so few changes as these do. Powers ^T 17:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep FF5 The future releases can be merged for now. But given there are multiple article for I.E. 7, 8 et al I don't see why Firefox has to be merged into one article. FF5 is a new version, even if it has similarities to FF4. John Smith's (talk) 20:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete They just released FF5, we gotta go thru 6 before we even think of this article. --TheTruthiness (talk) 22:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge the lot - either into Firefox and/or that timeline. FF5 may be released, but it's a fairly minor update upon FF4, not really all the notable in of itself. The pre-releases have even less to them, especially as it is, and considering that they're now all evidently updating on a much more regular basis, having separate articles makes less sense than previously, indeed. That said, if something does happen, one turns out to be a milestone after all or happen to have something else more notable about it, branching it into a separate article when that happens would be reasonable. ~ Isarra (talk) (stalk) 04:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The version has been released so there's no point deleting it as millions of users are using it now and firefox is the topper in the browser war. So its latest version must be a hot feature and media value is great, I feel the article should be expanded more. It's not just a minor release but a MAJOR one. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me _contribs) 06:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- No it hasn't been released, neither has its predecessor Firefox 6. WP doesn't exist for "media value" and your other logic is even more flawed. --TheTruthiness (talk) 18:05, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Useful, well-sourced article on a pertinent topic. It's sad how often I come to Wikipedia these days seeking content on a notable topic and find that it's up for deletion, or useless "merging" into an article whilst retaining none of the content the user actually wanted to find. Rebecca (talk) 07:34, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all into History of Firefox. E.g. Firefox 5 is a "major release" in version number only, and the changes are fairly cosmetic. The development time (3 months from 4 to 5 vs 14 months from 3.6 to 4) is also telling. But what's the most important: there is no substantial content that would warrant standalone articles. GregorB (talk) 11:34, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Happened to notice this while I was browsing, and while I rarely edit these days, I actually searched up the changelog to find changes. With time, it'll develop into a full-class article. We also have Internet Explorer 10, so why bother? 122.108.161.92 (talk) 14:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Blaster-bolts, I thought I was logged in. Scalene (talk) 14:05, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, keep FF5 and FF6, and expand them. Scalene (talk) 14:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Firefox 5. I honestly can't believe that the article about the CURRENT VERSION of Mozilla Firefox, version 5, is nominated for deletion. I'm not weighing in on the debate over Firefox 6 and 7, since those aren't out yet and I don't really care, but the fact that the Firefox 5 article has a thing at the top saying it's been nominated for deletion is just RIDICULOUS, since Firefox 5 is the current version, it is out, and I am using it along with many other people. I also strongly think that the nomination for deletion for Firefox 5 should be removed now that Firefox 5 is out, and it should be limited to just Firefox 6, 7, etc. The thing at the top of the Firefox 5 page saying it's been nominated for deletion shouldn't be there, in other words. --Yetisyny (talk) 15:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
THIS. It's just embarassing for the project. Rebecca (talk) 15:44, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your opinion, FF5 passes WP:CRYSTAL, but is it notable enough? It's not such a major version. Take for example, Google Chrome. There are no articles for its versions. --kongr43gpen ^Talk 18:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all Firefox articles (Firefox 2, Firefox 3, Firefox 3.5, Firefox 3.6, Firefox 4, Firefox 5, Firefox 6, Firefox 7) into History of Firefox. I think it is the only right way. Nicholas Love (talk) 16:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please check above discussions about FF2-4. This RfD is NOT for FF2-4, but for FF5-7. --kongr43gpen ^Talk 18:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Firefox 5 - sections like the Reception section are useful and meaningful. Nik thestoned 17:40, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge 5 into 4 - aren't different enough to deserve two separate articles. I support having F1, 2, 3 and 4 articles because they are relevant enough and would make a mess in a single Firefox article. --NaBUru38 (talk) 00:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Firefox 5 - per User:Nikthestoned and the final development of stable FF5 by Mozilla is released to public according to official website.WPSamson (talk) 06:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Firefox 5 per Nikthestoned. Also, the same development will be possible for 6 and 7, so why delete now only to recreate later? --Waldir ^talk 13:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~~Merge FF 5 into FF 4 article; redirect 6 and 7 to the main Firefox article~~. Unless FF 6 and 7 roll-out some major changes, I don't see any point in splitting them from the main article. The FF 5 release didn't introduce anything particularly notable, and information about this release is probably best merged with the FF 4 article for now. 70.153.125.178 (talk) 14:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: Actually, I changed my mind. After reviewing other comments, I'm not so convinced that we need separate articles for various Firefox versions. I'm sure everything could be truncated and crammed into the main article as an outline of notable version differences / major feature implementations. To spawn articles for every version means having to write separate introductions for each, and pad the rest of the sections with information that likely serves no other purpose than to make the article look up-to-code. Really, all I see in each article is reception / reviews and bits about development history. The development history doesn't even need to diverge from the main article in the first place. Let's just put everything in Firefox and tidily organize it. I would be willing to draft some ideas for an all-inclusive main article. 70.153.125.178 (talk) 17:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, are you suggesting that the Firefox 4 (and the Firefox 3) articles only consist of reviews and release notes? And, as stated above, this discussion is NOT about Firefox 2 etc, only for Firefox 5, Firefox 6, Firefox 7. -kongr43gpen ^Talk 20:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge FF5, FF6, and FF7 to FF5 and newer, because all in all, they might have some noatble changes, that way the History of Firefox article will not be as biased towards FF5-7. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfoske70 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge FF5, FF6, FF7, and future releases Mozilla's new fast Chrome-like release schedule means that "major" releases aren't actually so major at all now. There is no point in having an FF5 page when the only changes from FF4 are minor and not noticeable to the casual user. /ƒETCH COMMS / 02:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Firefox, History of Firefox, or Firefox 5 and later releases. Without major features that matter to the user community, there is no need to have an article for every release. Cogiati (talk) 02:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Firefox 5—major notable version of a major browser and platform. While at this point there's not much info, and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, there is more or less a guarantee that more information will come in the future. No opinion at this point on FF 6 and FF 7. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 06:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge somewhere There is a massive amount of misinformation and people not reading properly in this thread. Firefox changed their release schedule so they now release a new version every two months (firefox 6 is scheduled for release on 16 august). We will have nowhere near enough material to write proper articles about these an upcoming releases. Presumably this is better dealt at the end of next year when we are at firefox 14 and even the most diehard keep voters understand that this is not gonna work. Yoenit (talk) 07:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Living in the Moment

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fails WP:NALBUMS. no evidence of charting. could not find significant indepth coverage in reliable sources. [6]. there's this review and a short review in allmusic [7] but not much else. LibStar (talk) 11:06, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Tagged as unsourced since May 2007 - neither is this article likely to receive any coverage in the future. Not notable. Mark^Dask 11:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Going Down with the Ship

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fails WP:NALBUMS. no evidence of charting. could not find evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources. [8] contains mainly directory listings. this is best reference i could find. Allmusic merely lists this album, no reviews. LibStar (talk) 10:46, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the artist's article (A Tragedy in Progress (band)) for the same reasons and then speedy delete the album per criterion A9. Neither the artist's article nor the album's article establishes notability. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 12:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Viktor Pogadayev

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Article created and largely maintained by article subject. Notability not apparent. Appears to be self promotional Merbabu (talk) 09:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS - and contravenes WP:AUTOBIO. --Merbabu (talk) 22:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Although it cites books, it isn't enough for a encyclopedia article, not to mention it's been contributed by subject. SwisterTwister (talk) 05:42, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - per nominator - inadequate third party reliable sources to establish adequate proof of wider notability Satu Suro 01:29, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:AUTOBIO and WP:N. Orderinchaos 10:44, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. v/r - T P 18:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

James Earley

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I am struggling to find reliable sources that give significant coverage to this record producer in order to show that he passes the general notability guidelines. doomgaze (talk) 10:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Even I could not find any references or sources that could establish the the general notability guidelines for James Earley, should not be kept in Wikipedia Tashif (talk) 12:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - This is an unsourced BLP. The fact that it is vastly long and seemingly self-written cloaks this fact somewhat. This needs to be sourced out or removed, under the rules of the road. Carrite (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - All right, fuck it, I've had all I can takes and I can't takes no more... "As a baby, Earley first exhibited signs of musical talent." Sourced to: opinion of author. This article needs to go away now... Carrite (talk) 15:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 15:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Samantha Power (actress)

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Unsourced BLP. It has remained that way for a long time. I went through the entire article history and never found one reliable source (IMDB is not a reliable source). Crazymonkey1123 (Jacob) ^{T or M}/_{Sign mine} 23:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Non-notable. All Google News hits, even when I specify "actress", are for the author and foreign policy specialist of the same name. --MelanieN (talk) 21:02, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, provided that the BBC is a reliable source. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:24, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- The only items from that reference that could be cited in the subject's bio are the program name and the character role name; the previous/ next sections are the other actors/ roles, and the station will broadcast the series, inferred this year. This section is about the role, and opinions and perceptions of the actress of it. Dru of Id (talk) 18:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete This is quite a difficult one to call, because she has made a role in at least one notable production. According to statement 1 in WP:ENT, an actor needs to have "had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." One of the notable productions she took part in was Little Britain where she played as Jane Evans, and yet I took a look at the List of Little Britain characters and that character isn't even listed on there, which in my opinion Jane Evans isn't a very important character, and thus meaning this was only a minor role. There's only one significant role of a character that she played, and that was Debbie Rossi in The Cup, but still, one significant role isn't good enough to pass WP:ENT. Minima © (talk) 19:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Jane Edwards (not Evans) was a very small role, only appearing in four sketches in TV series 2 (those with "Harvey Pincher" in the title). I don't think that was Powers's only part in LB however: I have the CDs of both radio series - they state "Performed by Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Gwenllian Davies, Tom Baker, Samantha Power, Paul Putner" (series 1) and "Performed by Matt Lucas, David Walliams, Jean Ainslie, Tom Baker, Samantha Power, Paul Putner" (series 2), but unfortunately they do not link characters to actors. Eliminating the men, there is only one name common to both series, so any genuinely female characters found in both series were likely played by Power. There are several of these, such as Myfanwy (in several Dafydd Thomas sketches) and Samantha (wife of Edward Grant, her former schoolteacher). --Redrose64 (talk) 21:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:15, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Lombardi (businessman)

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Promotional article about an otherwise non-notable person. There are a smattering of real sources, but they are not in any way in depth, as is usually required of sources for WP:N and WP:BIO. Given that, though there exists proof of this person's existance, there does not exist extensive, reliable, independent biographical information, the article should probably be deleted. Jayron32 14:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, does not appear to meet GNG, and the sources are either very limited in usability or clearly not reliable sources for the subject of the article (which is not the company he heads). --Nuujinn (talk) 16:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:BIO. ukexpat (talk) 17:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete lack of significant coverage as required by the notability guidelines. Most of the citations provided are about his company - none of which mention him - and the Who's Who entry does not seem enough to show notability. I must point out that various shop sites refer to this publication as being independent and I can find no mentions of people paying for an entry. -- PhantomSteve.alt/talk\^{[alternative account of Phantomsteve]} —Preceding undated comment added 01:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC).[reply]
Delete Promotional article that fails notability.Griswaldo (talk) 21:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. not further sources have emerged and the delete votes therefore prevail. Since this is clearly marginal I'll note here that recreation is expressly permitted if someone can find anything more Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Netop Summer Camp

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While I was able to find a couple of articles covering "Camp Netop", nothing rises to significant coverage in reliable sources. ^Bongo_matic 01:37, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I just put in some references. Please check it out and reconsider deleting this page. Peetlesnumber1 (talk) 20:09, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ Nice try on the references, but none of them qualifies as an independent reliable source as Wikipedia requires. I tried searching Google News Archive to see if the camp has gotten any news coverage, but all I could find was a couple of directory-type listings. Unfortunately, if the camp is not WP:NOTABLE as Wikipedia defines it, no amount of rewriting or addition is going to save the article. Sorry. --MelanieN (talk) 22:16, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Changing to Weak delete. Searching without the word "summer" in the search turned up this full article from the Times-Herald, and this two-paragraph mention in the Christian Science Monitor. Those are getting closer to what we need here. --MelanieN (talk) 22:23, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Live At Rock City

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Can't find anything on a Google search. Island Monkey ^{talk the talk} 15:19, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This would probably be best merged/redirected to The DVD, which itself should probably be merged into Napalm Death if insufficient coverage can be found.--Michig (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:NALBUMS for lack of coverage. No evidence of charting either. LibStar (talk) 12:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Salmon (protocol)

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In April 2010 tagged for being written as an advertisement and lack of context and references. The original author seems to be gone (1 edit since Oktober 2010) and nothing has happened. Maybe better to remove this article and trigger somebody to write a new one, then keeping this dodgy article. Night of the Big Wind (talk) 13:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This advertisement is at least somewhat clever in its perverse will to be vague about what the software actually does: a protocol for comments and annotations to swim upstream to original update sources -- and spawn more commentary in a virtuous cycle. Seems to be some kind of aggregation protocol for social media. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: it's so obscure that we can't know what it does, and the absence of the original author means that it can't really be fixed. Nyttend (talk) 12:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strange enough the original author showed up to protest against the AfD on the talkpage of the article. But he did not change a letter in the article (yet). Night of the Big Wind (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:25, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Idwal Robling

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Barely did one season to a national audience as a supporting commentator, created just because he died also Ifore2010 (talk) 22:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By "national", I take it you mean UK as opposed to Wales? That is a very narrow definition. Deb (talk) 11:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do, just one season on Match of the Day as a third rate commentator, also had appaling Google search results during his lifetime. Ifore2010 (talk) 18:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I expect you mean "appalling". Deb (talk) 09:52, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - botched AfD nomination completed & logged for today (20 June). Giant Snowman 11:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep - looks to have had a substantial enough career in television to merit obituaries in national publications. Giant Snowman 11:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - sufficient coverage for WP:GNG and having competed at the Olympics, he passes WP:ATHLETE. Favonian (talk) 12:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He never actually played at the Olympics, so he doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE - but GNG is enough. Giant Snowman 12:08, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Bevin Boy, 40 years as a radio sports commentator, BBC commentator on Match of the Day, picked for a GB Olympic squad. Easily passes GNG.--Egghead06 (talk) 15:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep' --- the article looks stable enough and has potential, and at least it was referenced twice. SwisterTwister talk 06:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus has been established on this more than necessary - let's not retread a dead horse. Or whatever the saying is. m.o.p 18:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Campaign for "santorum" neologism

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The term "Santorum" was coined as an attack on a living person. Per WP:ATTACK: An attack page is a page, in any namespace, that exists primarily to disparage or threaten its subject. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, these pages are subject to speedy deletion. Upon finding such a page, identify it for speedy deletion by prepending the {{db-attack}} template, and warn the user who created it using the {{Attack}} user warning template. Attack pages may also be blanked as courtesy.

Per WP:ATTACK and WP:BLP this page must be deleted. Any mention of "s@nt0r&m" as a neologism needs to be removed as it exists only to disparage Rick Santorum (No I don't support him and think his comments are un-intelligent at best, but I DO support keeping attack pages of the pedia ) KoshVorlon'_Nal^uboutes _Aeria^Gloris 11:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (possibly with additional re-naming / re-focus of article). Ample coverage in reliable independent sources, relating to public figure, can be written in encyclopedic manner without violation of policies. ^Bongo_matic 11:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)Speedy keep You've got to be joking, that article is packed with loads of reliable sources. We've got articles on troll sites like the Gay Niggers Association of America and 4chan and Anonymous (group) should we delete those because we get the occasional vandal or two from them? No, because they also cite reliable sources. It is not a direct attack on Rick Santorum as you can see if you actually bothered to read the article in its entirity. You'd also find that the article states this is an attempt by Dan Savage to label a politician and his entire family with a rather disgusting sexual act. —James ^{(Talk • Contribs)} • 9:41pm • 11:41, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
oh for fuxake... Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Actually, I think this argument holds water. The sources are clear in stating that the entire Google bomb campaign is an attack by Savage and his followers on Santorum. Therefore, it makes sense that Wikipedia, by its own policies, cannot aid and abet this attack on a living person by joining in in this campaign. Cla68 (talk) 11:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - at least as currently titled. Paucity of sourcing (documenting use or employment independent of the issue itself) suggests it is NOT an established neologism and certainly within WP editorial discretion to decline independent treatment as such. Issue can be adequately and appropriately addressed in Santorum controversy regarding homosexuality JakeInJoisey (talk) 11:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (and work on it) 5th nomination .... I saw the previous title to be offensive and participating on the attack. But this one? It does not say the term is real neologism (JakeInJoisey? The previous title really did so). Instead it says someone really push for it. Making it clear, that there is dirty attack on the Senanator in real life and article is just about it, not the word. (If it is not clear from the title - better should be chosen, see bellow) The real life attack is dirty, and it is pretty notable as may be seen by the lists of sources. It influences his career too (without Wikipedia taking part in it), in previous political campaign it was blamed. But the article is written in wrong manner to collect sources and qoutes to bolster the notability, it is not nice one. But effort to rewrite it is just normal cure here. The title should be adressed, it should match the content better. And it should be adressed there, where the debate is ongoing. See: #Back_to_the_re-naming_issue section. The current title is considered interim a) before we rewrite it to see clearer what would be best fit b) to aleviate the BLP - this title was the best working title not pretending that the neologism has any significance here. But those are concern for RfC and debate, not for AfD here. --Reo 12:41, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Instead it says someone really push for it.

You mean like Dan Savage Google-bomb Attack on Rick Santorum? I'd merge that as well. JakeInJoisey (talk) 13:08, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Snow keep. Article just survived an RfD that proposed merging it without a redirect, which was functionally equivalent to deletion. It's survived three previous AfDs plus an aborted AfD proposed by this editor while the aforementioned RfD was in process. Based on the RfD voting and previous results, there's not a snowball's chance that this AfD will pass. The "it's an attack page" argument has been advanced repeatedly in the past without success or consensus. The nomination comes close to being WP:POINTy. I am trying to AGF really really hard but all I can think is WP:STICK. // ⌘macwhiz (talk) 12:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article seems contrary to numerous policies including WP:SOAP, WP:NPOV, WP:BLP and WP:UNDUE. It generally seems quite outrageous and maintaining this blatant attack page while the subject is a high-profile presidential candidate seems likely to bring the project into disrepute. Warden (talk) 13:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Token delete, really, since there's probably Not a chance in hell of it happening, but it really is just another front in the Savage vs. Santorum war rather than a legitimate article. I have to wonder what the tune here would be if, say, Glenn Beck coined something like "The Obamalama" as the frothy mixture of something similarly distasteful, and the right-wing blogosphere FoxNews dutifully reported it and put it into general use. Tarc (talk) 13:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Snow dog - as in Kosh Vorlon of the Regulon Sector is very dogged in his determination to eliminate the sa-nto-rum quandary of the Galaxy. (ok, but seriously, really again?) (also a dog with snow on his tail is known among the 7 tribes and 2 remnants of Vorlosh 2 as the sign for don't delete because this article has notability and sourcing) -- Avanu (talk) 13:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care As long as the page is renamed to remove those god-awful quotation marks. Reywas92^Talk 13:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep, I guess. I'm not thrilled about the existence of this page, but I can't bring myself to !vote delete here. The title change is a (somewhat flawed) step in the right direction, but the article really seems a bit bloated to me, like someone tried to mention every single time someone in the media referenced this campaign. I'd feel a lot better about keeping this if it were trimmed down to the most significant coverage by the most reliable sources available. Qrsdogg (talk) 13:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's terribly written, probably needs renaming still, but is of a notable prank. There may not be enough relevant stuff to say about this to justify a stand-alone article, but that won't be known till all the irrelevant bloat has been trimmed. It's perfectly possible to write about an attack without becoming part of the attack. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It's a huge stretch to try to apply attack page policies for biographies to an article covering of an orchestrated campaign at politicized language manipulation. I like the new title for the page "Campaign for "santorum" neologism" as opposed to "Santorum (neologism)" because that is precisely what is of historical import in this affair: the campaign... Not everything in life is sweetness and light, it is not Wikipedia's mission to lend coverage to only that which is wholesome and positive and edifying. The question is whether this coordinated campaign of the 2012 election cycle is encyclopedia-worthy as a historic event. I think there is a sufficient body of published material to demonstrate that it is. Carrite (talk) 13:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The article, under its former name (changed to satisfy Santorum partisans), has survived four AfD nominations. It is already well established that the article does NOT violate BLP guidelines. Will requests for deletion become a regular event until the partisans get their wish? Yes, it is becoming very difficult to maintain good faith. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 13:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete violates WP:NPOV WP:BLP * Keep - after reviewing the history and background, changed my opinion on the matter. Santorum has been maligned by this sex advice columnist but does appear to have achieved notability and not a BLP violation. Warfieldian (talk) 14:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It's not a BLP violation. It's not an attack page. It's a notable topic. It's not terribly written. It's well sourced. We've been down this road before. Trout for the nominator for trying it yet again. Drmies (talk) 14:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. It's a smear, but a highly notable one (much like Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Willie Horton controversy, Bill Ayers presidential election controversy, etc.) and has been widely reported on in the US media as having a significant impact on Santorum's presidential ambitions. To use Cla68's logic that this article must be deleted because "The sources are clear in stating that the entire Google bomb campaign is an attack by Savage and his followers on Santorum", none of those articles could exist, as the controversies were all attacks on major political figures, created for the sole purpose of attack. If we agree to start censoring negative news about politicians, where does that madness stop? 1 on trout all involved in trying to delete this for a fifth(!) time. I would have thought a 100 participant RfC would have been enough. Are we going to have to vote on this every week for the rest of our lives? --Khazar (talk) 15:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep as this AfD is clearly against the current consensus for renaming (which has been done twice now as an 'interim measure') and reviewing the content. Those are currently being actively discussed on its Talk page. I have no idea how this AfD can be justified at this point in time, especially by someone who hasn't been taking an actually active part in the Talk page discussion. His/her confusion seems to be between an actual attack page, and an article describing a notable attack. There's a difference. Flatterworld (talk) 15:24, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Amen to that. You and I may not have agreed much on the article's talk page, Flatterworld, but you've hit the nail on the head with this one. // ⌘macwhiz (talk) 16:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. And groan. The subject of the page passes WP:N. What is needed now is editing. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. Opening an AFD right after a weeks-long RfC with feedback from over a hundred editors (including Jimbo Wales) closed with a consensus to keep the article is a severe case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Please back slowly away from the horse carcass and close this nonsense. elektrik SHOOS 16:51, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep Current name is per consensus, is notable, and when the recentism dies down it will be reduced to a reasonable size (or maybe before). I dislike the senator's opinions, I dislike the sex-advice columnist's name calling campaign, I dislike how disruptive this has been to Wikipedia, I dislike political activism on Wikipedia, I dislike the gaming of Wikipedia . . . I'll probably think of more things I dislike about this later. But keep it. It belongs on Wikipedia. Review the see also section in WP:STICK. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, one of the worst misinterpretations of BLP I've ever seen. An article about an "attack" is not an "attack" itself, nor even is the term itself an attack in the sense of a negative and/or false factual statement about Rick Santorum. Even if it were, it is not a BLP violation to cover notable negative false statements made by third parties and reported upon by reliable sources, as noted above by Khazar (e.g., Swift Boat Veterans for Truth). postdlf (talk) 17:06, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. Article passes WP:N, WP:RS and WP:NPOV criteria: nor, as said above multiple times, is it a BLP violation. This has been established by four AfD processes so far -- nothing has changed recently, and merely repeating AfD nominations over and over is not a reasonable response to this. -- The Anome (talk) 17:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This will no doubt be kept, but the rationale above is largely bullshit, as a coterie of like-minded editors do not get to decide what is or is not a BLP violation. It has been said before and bears saying again; local consensus should not be allowed to override Wikipedia policy. Tarc (talk) 17:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that consensus is what decides Wikipedia policy in the first place (including WP:BLP) I find your rationale interesting. elektrik SHOOS 17:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What part of "local consensus" did you find confusing? Tarc (talk) 17:37, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Local.. under your tone, it would be hard to decide, when the consensus ceases to be just local. Is full fledged RfC local or not? Centralized RfC would be? Proposal to change policy is local if the number of people attending it is small? How you would be deciding hierarchies of policies. Consensus is consensus, the only viable thing, it is not determined by number of votes.Reo 17:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep, there was an RFC that closed last week that determined that the article should not be deleted or merged/redirected.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wallpost.com

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Fails WP:N. Non notable website, no reliable independent sources about it. The one source that comes close, Killerstartups, is not sufficient in my opinion, with 15 startups listed per day it isn't very distinctive. No hits through Google news archives. Fram (talk) 10:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. World famous in Hyderabad but nowhere else. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:28, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anne Seisen Saunders

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no real notability shown for this bio. lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. of current sources: Sign On San Diego is a local interest piece; Tricycle: The Buddhist Review is written by the subject; The Press-Enterprise (California) is not significant coverage of Saunders. nothing satisfying WP:N. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The article doesn't seem to state why the article is so important except that she's a student. SwisterTwister talk 07:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Dunckel

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Completing nom for 67.101.6.24. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 07:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

From talk page:

I am nominating this article for deletion because I believe it fails to meet WP:GNG.

After noticing that the PROD by Belovedfreak had been removed, I looked for evidence of that it met WP:BIO. A search on google.fr found only the 2004 documentary short on IMDb that Belovedfreak mentioned. I checked and found this message instead of an article:

"Cette page a été supprimée. Le journal des suppressions et des déplacements est affiché ci-dessous pour référence: 13 juin 2011 à 19:00 Lomita a supprimé « Bruno Dunckel » ‎ (Ne répond pas aux critères d'admissibilité de Wikipédia, contenu non vérifiable : Le contenu était « Bruno Dunckel est un monteur vidéo, réalisateur, gra)".

I then checked for other contributions by Annghrian that suggest expertise on the subject, and discovered that the editor who contested the article was also the creator of the article, and had edited only this article, raising the possibility of a WP:SPA.

These factors convinced me to nominate it for deletion. 67.101.6.24 (talk) 01:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I don't see any many or major contributions. Fails per WP:CREATIVE. Bearian (talk) 17:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per lack of notability. I didn't find any reliable sources on both Yahoo and Google except for a MySpace page and official website. SwisterTwister talk 07:32, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:30, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of appearances of Beats by Dr. Dre

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A list of places that a product appears in popular culture is not encyclopedic and does not belong on Wikipedia. The fact that people editing the product's main page continue to create such pointless lists in the article itself does not justify creating a separate page for the equally non-notable information. Dimaspivak (talk) 05:52, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree & Keep. Obviously the dozens of contributors to the list proposed for deletion as well as to the main article itself find it to be of some encyclopedic value, inadvertently generating a large consensus in contrast to your lone objection. It is of no more or less encyclopedic value than the List of Strategic Air Command bases - a defunct organization of almost 20 years, and listing a majority of facilities which no longer exist. As there is no WP policy prohibiting lists of this nature in addition to the consensus supporting the need for this type of information to be cataloged, and it has obviously seen and generated a rather significant amount of traffic, I contend for it to remain, yet to be expanded and better formatted. Srobak (talk) 06:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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A list for the deletion of lists. Epic, circular logic. Srobak (talk) 17:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOT an indiscriminate list of information. Listings of occurances of uses of specific articles of clothing, pieces of equipment, etc are well out of the scope of Wikipedia's mission. The information doesn't really have a place at Wikipedia, either as a stand-alone article, or as a comprehensive list of uses within the main article. Would be equally rediculous regardless of the consumer product being hawked; i.e. a "List of people who wear Levi's brand jeans" or "List of people who drive Honda cars" has no more place here than this list does. --Jayron32 19:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Beats by Dr. Dre. I've never heard of them before, but after reading the two articles I see that the product placement marketing is a big part of the story of these headphones. The merged article will not be too long and a precedent will not be set for other product placement lists. Steve Dufour (talk) 22:48, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

seriously? The idea as stated above is to get the main article not to read as an advertisement, which the endless contributions of product placements resulted in, and got it tagged as such. I'd rather have the list deleted outright rather than have it clutter up the original article. Srobak (talk) 04:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Jayron32's statement; although I would have chosen to merge the content if there are some references to accompany some of the appearances in this list, but every list has to have at least one source otherwise it might get deleted. Minima © (talk) 08:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

London Buses route 153

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Do bus routes really need a separate article? When I added bus routes to an article, it was wiped off citing notability issues, and another time saying that Wikipedia is NOT a directory. An article, or a list will all bus routes with destinations, routes, a rollover map maybe, might be handy, but individual article PER route sounds silly to me. Please by all means, let me know your opinion. Regards, -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete—I'm inclined to agree with the nominator. There's nothing specific to this article to establish notability for this route. The list of bus routes in London covers the pertinent information from this article already. If a notes column were added to the table on that list, the two historical facts (original contract for service, renewal of that contract) could be added to that page as well. In the meantime, a footnote for that information could be appended to the service provider name in the table. On the whole, this article though does not satisfy WP:GNG, so delete, or redirect it back to the list. Imzadi 1979 → 16:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there are articles for series of bus routes but individual bus routes must meet WP:GNG which this does not. LibStar (talk) 04:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete in the last AfD, I originally went for 'delete' then changed this to 'keep' when a source and brief mention of the route's history was added. However, nothing further has been added, and I could not find anything at reliable independent sources which would allow this article to be expanded beyond what currently exists. As such, I feel that this is one of the London bus routes for which there is no justification in having an article. Of course, if someone can find a reliable independent source (on- or offline) and expands the history section, then I might change to 'keep', but I couldn't find anything suitable. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 10:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would be happy with Redirect to Buses in London instead of deleting (although a delete before redirect would be required) PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 23:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment After reading Steve's comment, I want to add a point. Maybe such routes, which may have a tad bit notability as compared to others, can be listed in a single article about notable routes, PROVIDED that notability is established thru reliable sources. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the list or delete. Unlike many London routes, the sources for this aren't enough to establish notability under WP:GNG. Searches in various source, both on and off the net, gave nothing more in-depth than a 50-word announcement about a tender win and this one-sentence mention. Redirecting is the standard practise for these, as evidenced by Category:Redirects from London bus routes. Alzarian16 (talk) 13:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Buses in London or Delete. The paragraph about the history of HCT Group is already available on HCT Group anyway. --Ritchie333 (talk) 14:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the historical connection of this route warrants an article of its own. Anti Bullying Warrior (talk) 18:21, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:23, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Carlos

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A DJ in the San Francisco Rave scene. Article currently has 72 references with I think all of them to posters or announcements to a rave. Per WP:MUSIC, "Works comprising merely trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates..." Unable to find any reliable sources about him. However, "DJ Carlos" is a common name... for example, one in Egypt, Romania and one in Ithaca, New York who is available for mitzvahs. Bgwhite (talk) 05:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination, in searches for mention in news, books, or scholarly sources I could not find a mention of the DJ Carlos which is the subject of this article. There are other DJ Carlos-es but not of the subject of this article. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per lack of notability. The article only cites Ravergeek as a source, so I went ahead and searched DJ Carlos and I didn't get any reliable hits on Yahoo and Google except for MySpace and Facebook pages. I suspect the article was created simply for promotional purposes. SwisterTwister talk 05:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep as meets Wikipedia:ATH#Generally_acceptable_standards for participating in international competition.. LibStar (talk) 04:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Katrina Patchett

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fails WP:BIO. there are only primary sources listed in trove for her. [9]. could also be WP:ONEVENT as the only coverage in gnews is her for her appearance on the French version of Dancing with the Stars. [10]. LibStar (talk) 04:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - there are verifiable sources Satu Suro 06:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per WP:HOTTIE. What, that's inadequate? All right: this is a modest article making a small number of claims that are adequately sourced. Such material as the names and degree of professional success of her parents is indeed vague, inadequately sourced or both, but it's not crucial to the article. And the nominator has a bizarre understanding of "WP:ONEVENT". -- Hoary (talk) 01:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW Keep Together in 2007, they became the French national champions sourced in the article meets WP:SPORT, or maybe Australian Junior National Champion, then thers a 4th place at another international event, all of contribute to the reason she appeared as a professional dancer on dancing with the stars oh which she happened to win. all source already seriously why are we here, well I know I'm here cause I was stalking SatuSuros contribs then read this. This is yet another unnecessary afd I see why people are getting upset. Gnan garra 03:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

the claim of French national champion is not from a reliable source [11], if cannot you can edit the article yourself. LibStar (talk) 03:53, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

actually being national champion does not guarantee meeting Wikipedia:ATH#Generally_acceptable_standards. but she has competed in international competition. LibStar (talk) 03:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 04:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Fear Experience Haunted House

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Does not meet WP:N guidelines. No references from reliable secondary sources. Warfieldian (talk) 04:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not notable. Stuartyeates (talk) 10:08, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- DQ (t) (e) 12:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Masego Kgomo

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not-notable Night of the Big Wind (talk) 19:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - As it obviously sparked calls for this practice to end. Making it notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to the section in Muti that refers to "Muti killings". I'm not convinced that there is enough to pass WP:EVENT, however, those seeking information regarding the child's murder or Muti killing would be better served with the merge. Location (talk) 22:00, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as above. I do not see enough to warrant a stand alone article, coverage of the murder is typical of a murder. And not unusual to ask authorities to do something about a horrific murder. LibStar (talk) 15:28, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is the article I created a while ago. The article speaks for itself. It's an African murder motivated by muti. Perhaps Americans and Europeans and their media don't consider it to be important, but judging by the sources in the article Africans and their media consider it important. NewYorkWalnuts (talk) 23:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Looks to be a fairly significant case. The fact the article is currently only a stub is irrelevant. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

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Keep, well sourced incident with lasting impact. jorgenev 05:20, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 04:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ben C Williams

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Contested PROD. I cannot find significant coverage of this blogger/designer at multiple independent reliable sources to show that he meets the general notability guidelines or the guidelines for the notability of people.

Evaluation of sources provided in article:

Williams, Ben. "bencwilliams.com". Retrieved 17 June 2011.
- Not independent of the subject
"thesanctuaryedinburgh". Retrieved 20 June 2011.
- I can't find anything about Williams here, also appears self-published? Not sure it would meet the reliability criteria
"stantonwilliams.com". Retrieved 19 June 2011.
- Company website where he father works - not about Ben C Williams
Entry Paul Williams, Edited by reference, in the 2011 A & C Black edition of Who's Who.
- Details about father - not about Ben
"kgbanswers.co.uk". Retrieved 20 June 2011.
- Confirms that the band he played in played a gig - but it's just a list of the bands who played, no other details.

None of these meet the significant coverage requirements of the notability guidelines or the independent/reliable source criteria PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 03:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete, no real claim to notability; speedy tag removed by sock account. Hairhorn (talk) 14:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No evidence of meeting WP:GNG. Nuttah (talk) 08:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Loose Logic

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Previously a no consensus keep at AFD in 2009, still unsourced, and I could find no coverage in reliable sources other than a single local newspaper article ([12]). Does not appear to be notable. Michig (talk) 14:42, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I couldn't find substantial coverage either, and as far as I can tell the awards he won aren't major enough to ensure notability. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Article is not given any significant coverage in any third party reliable sources, therefore fails WP:GNG. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. After reference searching on my part, I didn't find anything either. SwisterTwister (talk) 06:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No significant coverage by third parties, no reliable sources found. Non-notable per WP:GNG. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 ^(Contact) 21:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - There seems to be a landslide of delete votes, but I'm gonna go all empiricist on y'all before I draw any conclusions. For starters, here's A PIECE IN THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER, which is a huge mainstream newspaper akin to the LA Times... So we can't say "no reliable sources," for starters... Carrite (talk) 17:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This one is paywalled, but it's a story from the REDLANDS DAILY FACTS, another mainstream news source, archived by High Beam. Carrite (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And here is yet another piece from a newspaper, this from THE DAILY PILOT. Hmmm, what's the Daily Pilot, you ask? That's the daily newspaper in Costa Mesa, California. That's already 3 pieces from reliable sources in a few minutes. How did I find them? I searched the exact phrase "Ian Westbrook" rap in regular old Google.

And here's an INTERVIEW WITH LOOSE LOGIC, again from the OC Register. Carrite (talk) 17:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are lots of blog pieces as well, like THIS ONE that provides more clues for a serious biography: "The rapper has graced the cover of Orange County’s What’s Up magazine, and has been featured in the Orange County Register, OC Weekly, Huntington Beach Gazette, Skinnie magazine, and more, including being named a “Top 100 Unsigned Artist” for 2007 by Music Connection magazine." Carrite (talk) 17:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the above. I am stopping because of time rather than hitting the end of the material. It's a pretty clear call on this, actually. Notable per GNG on the basis of multiple, independent, substantial, reliable published sources. Carrite (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Redlands Daily Facts article is the one I identified in the nom. The OC Register articles look good as potential sources (they are well hidden when I perform the same Google search, and don't appear at all in a Google News search), so while I still have a concern about the coverage being limited to local sources, I would now be happy for this to be kept. I would withdraw the nom, but for the other opinions in favour of deleting here. I have also found this from URB.com, should that help to sway others.--Michig (talk) 18:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete he fails WP:NM and WP:GNG due to no significant coverage. Sources provided fail WP:NTEMP. Pentadecimal (talk) 12:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - Mentioned in various local newspapers, though not cited. As of now fails WP:GNG criterion. 08OceanBeach^S.D. 22:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, appears to meet WP:GNG. In addition to Carrite's sources (nice work, BTW), there's also this review of one of his albums in URB (magazine). -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 21:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, didn't see that Michig had already cited it. Still, the point stands. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 21:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: article is now fully sourced, frankly I don't see this artist as notable, simply a product of the internet that has received some local coverage, but it looks like this will be kept so it might as well be sourced. BTW I removed the info about his 2007 awards, if someone can find a reliable source for them feel free to put them back. J04n(talk page) 12:46, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 04:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ayesha Haider; BC NDP Candidate for Burnaby-North

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The subject fails the notability requirements of WP:POLITICIAN and WP:BIO. She's just a candidate running for a nomination at this point, and the only 2 articles I found on her talk briefly about the fact that she is running. She is not yet notable, though may become notable later. Inks.LWC (talk) 03:41, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete , on the premise she is using wikipedia as an advertising venue, in this ~~cause~~case a campaign promotion venue.Curb Chain (talk) 10:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per nom, I would support a Speedy delete. PK T(alk) 12:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Wikipedia is not a campaign tool. Reso lute 14:35, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per promotional reasons. I searched her on Yahoo and Google with no avail in results. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a blog. SwisterTwister talk 05:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Wikipedia has a longstanding principle that even candidates who make it onto the ballot in an actual election don't necessarily qualify for articles just for being candidates — and by definition, they're more notable than people who are merely candidates in a candidate selection process. And even if she does go on to ultimately win election to the provincial legislature when that time comes, the plain title "Ayesha Haider" will suffice rather than this extended silliness. Bearcat (talk) 04:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep with merge at editorial discretion. Kurykh (talk) 03:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of National League slugging percentage leaders

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WP:NOTSTATS. This entire article is an excessive listing of statistics with a modest lead. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. We have literally oodles of lists of parallel stats. There is nothing inappropriate as to having a year-by-year list of such accomplishments. We have them for annual leaders in triples, bases on balls, stolen bases, batting average, doubles, home runs, runs, runs batted in, saves, shutouts, strikeouts, triples, wins, earned run average, innings pitched. While this list is deemed "excessive" by nom, it has no more statistics than any of those lists of baseball statistics. WP:NOTSTATS relates to lists that are excessive, and inasmuch as this is not one, that guideline does not apply. Furthermore, while it is true that, articles should contain sufficient explanatory text to put statistics within the article in their proper context for a general reader, this is already done--there is no requirement that more than that be done. If nom thinks more should be done, any of us are free to do it -- but surely it is do-able, and therefore the article should not be deleted.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Slugging percentage. No need to fork a list of MLB leaders given how short both articles are. Reso lute 14:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Given nom's concern that the list is "excessive", perhaps it would not be in his view helpful to merge it into slugging percentage. In any event, in the many parallel lists that I point to, this is not the standard wp approach -- rather, we tend to have one article for "x", and another article for "x leaders". So,perhaps it would be best to maintain the standard approach, for the sake of consistency in presentation.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:54, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is a notable statistic and a list of annual leaders is appropriate. It may be appropriate to merge with a similar American League list, if one exists (I didn't check). I do not think that Slugging percentage is necessarily a good merge target, because then that article may get overwhelmed by statistics, including the annual leaders and all time leaders (and in theory at least, the slugging percentage is general and can apply to other leagues as well, including outside the US). But merge to slugging percentage would still be preferable to deleting. Rlendog (talk) 14:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Perfectly fine as a standalone list, not "excessive" in any way. I'd support a merge with a corresponding AL list, but not with Slugging percentage. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 17:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it'd be nice to see the list converted into a sortable table, if anybody has time. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 17:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree w/Hit's points. The only hesitation I have about merging to a corresponding AL list would be that if nom feels this list is "excessive" (which I don't think is the case), perhaps he would consider such a merge to be the creation of a list that is twice as excessive. Also agree that a sortable table would be nice (but do not think that is an AfD issue, as I believe Hit would agree).--Epeefleche (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be a unanimous keep outside of my nomination, so I wouldn't object to that merge. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:48, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking another look, Muboshgu, and being kind enough to consider the views of the rest of us. Very much appreciate that. As to whether a merge is a good idea, I would suggest that we follow whatever approach we use in the other parallel categories I mention above (annual leaders in triples, bases on balls, stolen bases, batting average, doubles, home runs, runs, runs batted in, saves, shutouts, strikeouts, triples, wins, earned run average, innings pitched). Haven't checked myself whether we generally have merged lists, or League-specific, but I would go with whatever the accepted pattern (or consensus) is. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 03:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 04:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

MLB designated hitter statistics

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Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate listing of information. The "facts" section alone shows this article is trivial. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This is just a bunch of trivia. --Coemgenus (talk) 14:59, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. WP:NOT#STATS apply here. Tavix | Talk 22:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Or transwiki to PointlessTriviaWiki. And make sure you add a list of all DH's who have hit home runs on their birthday. Ma^t_chups 19:35, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW Delete. Seriously? Jrcla2 (talk) 20:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I wish there was a way to archive all these deleted lists because there is a lot of good information that disappears every time one is voted off the island. Alex (talk) 21:06, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — Cirt (talk) 04:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

50 home run club

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There is no such thing as a "50 home run club". This article provides no sources for such a moniker. As such, this article constitutes WP:OR. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: "no such thing": [13], [14]. The term "50 home run club" was clearly not made up in Wikipedia. postdlf (talk) 04:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll rephrase: there is no notable usage of this term. – Muboshgu (talk) 05:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - You've completely changed your rationale, so that's more than a rephrasing. You didn't appear to have looked outside of the article to conclude that the term was made up; what did you do to subsequently confirm that it's not notable? And if it were retitled to something like "List of Major League Baseball players with at least fifty home runs in a single season", with a sentence on the term merely stating "Players who have achieved this are sometimes referred to collectively as the '50 Home Run Club'", would you still have an objection to it then? postdlf (talk) 14:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Bleacher Report: "Jose Bautista Joins 50 Home Run Club, Baseball Digest: USING THE TERM IN 1987; Yardbarker: "The Elusive 50 Home Run Club"... Point is actually well taken that the term is more often used in conjunction with the number 500, but this is a commonly used and easily understandable phrase and concept. Fifty is a landmark for single season home runs in a way that 30 and 40 are not and this merits encyclopedic coverage. Carrite (talk) 14:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 14:08, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Of course there's such a thing and, as the links above show, it's something people talk about all the time in baseball. --Coemgenus (talk) 14:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)*Keep - There doesn't seem to be a dispute that 50 home runs in a season is a notable accomplishment, so this seems more a dispute over the title. There seems to be enough sources for use of a "50 home run club" title rather than a more awkward "List of Major League Baseball players who hit 50 home runs in a single season" to retain the title as well, but that seems to be an issue separate from keeping or deleting. Rlendog (talk) 14:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep False claim in rationale. Widely known, notable group and term. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 16:21, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep same reason as others.--Yankees10 17:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 04:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Post 20th Century Art

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Contested PROD. The article violates the Wikipedia policy on neologisms WP:NOTNEO. There are not may reliable sources that use the term, and I could find no reliable sources that actually discuss the term. Inks.LWC (talk) 01:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Article's claim is that the term has been used by instructors in one college. No evidence that this has enjoyed even the most general usage, let alone an application specific to representational painting. 76.248.147.81 (talk) 02:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Ignoring that the use of this quite general term for something apparently specific is a bit of a problem, as a neologism, this has no demonstrable currency outside of two professors at a school. Unless more sources can be provided to show that the term is in use for this particular art movement, rather than any art made after December 31, 1999 (yes, I start the 21st century in 2000), this will have to be deleted. freshacconci talktalk 02:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now. My Google research shows that the expression is being used pretty much as in the article. But it does not seem to be established enough to pass WP's notability bar yet. Steve Dufour (talk) 23:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well now I'm curious: Are there reliable sources that use the term in the context of traditional figuration, or that refer specifically to such a movement in painting? 76.248.147.81 (talk) 23:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see anything "reliable" WP-wise, just blogs and so forth. But the concept is out there. Steve Dufour (talk) 04:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per Freshacconci. Hardly a sentence in this Synthesis doesn't invite a Citation reqd. (A "boom of new art schools and Ateliers" - interesting if it is happening and can feed into an article once it does.) AllyD (talk) 19:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Kurykh (talk) 03:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hamdi Makhlouf

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I have read the article on the French Wikipedia ([15]). The majority of the article is about him studying music at university and winning a grant to do a doctorate. The closest the subject gets to passing WP:MUSICBIO is that he had a single song included in a compilation published by EMI. The criteria at WP:MUSICBIO asks that the subject has released two or more albums on a major label; not a single song on a compilation. Besided that the subject has made some performances at university music nights. — Fly by Night (talk) 01:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Finding English (or even French) online sources on Arab musicians is notoriously difficult, but there is enough indication here to suggest notability. Besides, MUSICBIO is not the only applicable guideline; there's also GNG. In my opinion, the subject has seen enough coverage (and a Presidential prize should count for something) to pass. And while there may not be an article (yet) for Tuniscope, it looks like a decent enough site to be deemed notable and reliable--it has an address and named staff, so I'm waiting for someone to add this and this to the article. Drmies (talk) 20:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Drmies. Seems to be a notable musician in the French and Tunisian jazz scenes, and a notable modern oud player, with several appearances in recent years at international music festivals, including as a headline performer. Coverage includes an interview and a profile piece, and many shorter mentions in media from three countries so far. I've also added an article on Tuniscope, which after a little hunting around turned out to be a notable Tunisian news and culture portal - thanks for the suggestion. Gurt Posh (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 04:44, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

CouponCoupon

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fails WP:CORP. looks like WP:ADVERT. a mere 4 gnews hits [16], with the first being sourced from a press release of the compnany. LibStar (talk) 00:12, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Advertisement for uet another online coupon business. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mysore Elephants Rampage Incident

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per WP:NOTNEWS. —Abhishek ^{Talk to me} 00:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep.I believe the article like any article related to disasters and rage incidents holds the credential to be on wikipedia,any suggestions and debate is welcome.I may take time to respond till the month end(i have my exams running),i request not to delete the article until then.regards. Irrigator (talk) 09:18, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: per clause 2 of WP:NOTNEWS, this article may not be acceptable. Note: The above editor is the author of this article. —Abhishek ^{Talk to me} 13:37, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reply. Here the article is totally about an incident happened in the past just like for example:Death_of_Osama_bin_Laden.--Irrigator (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete clear case of WP:NOTNEWS. LibStar (talk) 05:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. After the initial coverage, there has been no followup coverage in the indian media. It was a "man bites dog" piece for a couple of days. After that interest has faded away --Sodabottle (talk) 03:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Daoud Bokhary

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The article does not satisfy the Notability (people) guideline - It relies on one main source: an article in a free newspaper The Standard in 2005; I would regard this as a primary source because the journalist interviewed Daoud Bokhary and expressed his/her own finding on Bokhary in the newspaper article. There are no multiple secondary sources on the person to demonstrate his notability. STSC (talk) 01:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article in The Standard is not by any means a primary source, as that newspaper has editorial independence and is not under the control of Daoud Bokhary. There is nothing unusual about a reliable source interviewing the subject of its coverage. This is standard journalistic practice. In my opinion, this person is notable, and if the article has shortcomings, they should be addressed by normal editing. I also disagree with the nominator's dismissal of all the other sources, as I think The Dawn is also a reliable source. I am unable to evaluate the Chinese language sources. Cullen328 (talk) 05:43, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Standard's article itself does not prove the person's notability; and the person has not been the main subject of multiple published secondary sources as required in the WP:BIO's guideline. (The Dawn's article isn't wholly about Daoud Bokhary.) STSC (talk) 07:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BIO does not require that the coverage be "the main subject", instead it calls for "significant" coverage. It also says "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". I think that this article easily meets that standard. As for STSC's comment on the talk page that the man is "portrayed like a saint" and the the article seems like "election propaganda", I must disagree. The article does a good job of summing up the sources. It would be a big mistake, in my view, to allow people's perceptions of his granddaughter to cloud this article. Cullen328 (talk) 16:07, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please only discuss notability issue here, not my comments on the article's talk page.

I don't think just two online articles could be classified as "significant".

So far, you still could not prove his notability - Why this wealthy businessman is worthy of notice? Is it because of his wealth? Or because of his sons and granddaughter? Is he "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention"? STSC (talk) 04:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

People are "notable" when reliable sources discuss them. I believe this man is notable because of the coverage of him in reliable sources, and my assessment of the encyclopedic value of the article. I concede that this may be a bordeline case, but I have expressed my opinion and STSC has their opinion. It would be great to have several more opinions. Cullen328 (talk) 03:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. 116.48.93.150 (talk) 07:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:JUSTAVOTE. LibStar (talk) 01:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:BIO. 1 gnews hit and all the gbooks hits are Books LLC which uses WP as a source. LibStar (talk) 01:15, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And what about the sources cited in the article? Phil Bridger (talk) 21:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The one Google News hit is the only main source on the person; most of the other sources cited are related to his family. STSC (talk) 02:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sources cited are sufficient to demonstrate notability. As Cullen328 correctly points out, a source does not need to be solely devoted to a topic to establish a presumption of notability for the topic, merely to cover the topic in more than a trivial fashion. WP:N: "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material". "significant, interesting, or unusual" are subjective judgments; if I may be permitted to quote a very good essay on this topic, "notability is not fame and importance, [and] notability is not subjective". Deletion is called for when an article fails WP:N or passes it but fails WP:NOT; neither case has been demonstrated here. cab (call) 04:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just two outdated sources (in the year 2005 and 2008) would not justify a stand-alone article for him as a notable living person. The WP:N and WP:BIO guidelines clearly require of multiple reliable sources on the subject. In fact, 7 out of 10 sources cited are related to the members of his family. STSC (talk) 15:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How are sources published in 2005 and 2008 "outdated"? This is an encyclopedia, not a current affairs web site. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed many statements made in the article were using present tense, I would expect the sources were the recent ones close to the creation date of the article (2010) but the article was mostly based on the source 5 years ago in 2005. I have tried to improve the article but could not find any sources on the living person apart from that source in 2005. STSC (talk) 01:51, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I agree with Cullen328's rationale that the interview by The Standard qualifies as an independent reliable source. An interview is a biography, and if the interviewer qualifies as an independent interviewer writing for a reliable source, the interview is an independent reliable biography. Although the other cited sources did not discuss Daoud in lengthy detail, the mere fact that Daoud is mentioned in many newspaper reports concerning his relatives' incidents means that Daoud is himself a noteworthy person. From WP:BIO#Basic criteria, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. I think Daoud's case fall into this category and his article should be kept. Der yck C. 10:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not inherited upwards from notable subordinate to parent or grandparent as per WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:BIO#Family. STSC (talk) 10:30, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not talking about inherited notability, which would be the case if we cited a newspaper article about another Bokhary that doesn't mention Daoud, and claimed notability for Daoud. I'm referring to the notability with regards to mentions of Daoud in newspaper reports about other members of his family. Der yck C. 10:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just a mention of the person would not establish notability as per WP:SIGCOV and WP:BASIC. Please see the examples given in: WP:N#cite_note-0. STSC (talk)

I think at this point we just have to agree to differ. From my judgement, many of the reports about other Bokharys give enough mention of Daoud to contribute some notability. Combined together (WP:BASIC) they give enough weight as "multiple independent sources may be combined". With the full interview published by The Standard (WP:SIGCOV/WP:N#cite_note-0), I think his independent notability has been established. Der yck C. 14:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SIGCOV clearly states that a notable subject requires significant coverage which is more than a trivial mention. Besides, those news reports were cited for his family members, not for the person. It's ridiculous trying to use the trivial mentions of the person in those sources to establish his notability. STSC (talk) 16:27, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Creedence Clearwater Revival in media

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Listcruft, trivia. Anything meaningful can be folded into the main article, but this is a magnet for trivia. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:45, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't delete it. If it is deleted, well-meaning editors WILL put all of this into the main article, which is already long enough. DougHill (talk) 16:00, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to United States House of Representatives elections in Wisconsin, 2006. Kurykh (talk) 03:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin's 8th congressional district election, 2006

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This article provides no information that is not already found at the main page for congressional elections in Wisconsin in the year 2006, therefore there is no reason to continue to have a separate entry for it. Tqycolumbia (talk) 03:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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So why not just redirect it to United States House of Representatives elections in Wisconsin, 2006#District 8? An AFD was completely unnecessary. And we've gone through this already with two other AFDs you've started, here and here. postdlf (talk) 03:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Preacher's kid

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This article has an extreme POV, and it is very unencyclopedic. It is more like an Urban Dictionary entry than an encyclopedia article. I cannot imagine how this article could be worded so that it does not violate any policies (and WP:IAR certainly does not apply here), so it is probably best to just delete the article. If someone thinks they can write a good, neutral, and encyclopedic article on the subject, they are free to recreate it. Nat682 (talk) 06:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per our policy on neologisms. There's no real evidence that "preacher's kid" is a real term worthy of discussion and not just a natural part of American English (i.e. actually no different from such phrases as "police officer's kid"). The article does not cover the neologism but instead is a coatrack which is used to document stereotypes of the children of clergy. --Anthem 11:14, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Not sure of the value of this article at all. Most of it appears to be WP:OR. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and flag for rescue. The term is notable as a stereotype. People have made some effort to record sources, even if those have not been fully utilised yet, and I found this academic paper at Wayback Machine to replace the dead link. There's enough reliable material to be able revise the article into something decent. - Fayenatic (talk) 07:45, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This link isn't even a footnote. So this link is not even backing anything in the article.Curb Chain (talk) 11:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As of 26 June, it is now; more can be added from it, but the page is already well worth keeping. - Fayenatic (talk) 09:09, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is no deadline. The previous AfD closed as a clear keep. Sources do seem to be available. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 00:42, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The whole article is all original research or synthesis.Curb Chain (talk) 11:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This was certainly true, but I think that's largely fixed now. -- 202.124.73.40 (talk) 09:19, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- This is a poor article on a legitimate topic. The article should be improved not deleted. Its problems are well-tagged, so that when come one comes along who can deal with it, they have something to start from. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:02, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — this is bad enough that there's nothing to save, so anyone rewriting it will have to start over completely. The absence of an article at this title may be a better inducement to someone to write anew about it. Nyttend (talk) 12:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- comment - the reason that there currently appears to be "nothing to save" is that on 20 June user:Curb Chain deleted citations along with a paragraph that he considered all synthesis -- perhaps it was, I haven't looked up the sources yet, but those four deleted citations might yet be useful for building a better article, along with the resources still shown at the end. - Fayenatic (talk) 23:08, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. With 5,380 Google Books hits, the topic is clearly notable. The article just needs improving. As noted in the previous AfD, deletion is not a cleanup technique. -- 202.124.73.40 (talk) 07:41, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I've cleaned up the article slightly and added several references to relevant books. -- 202.124.73.40 (talk) 08:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Google hits do not make it notable. Google Books is not much different. --Nat682 (talk) 22:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: those Google Books hits include a very large number of reliable sources, discussing both the sociology of the phenomenon and the role of the stereotype in literature; that makes it notable under WP:GNG. The article is currently well-referenced, with references to 7 books and some other sources, and I'm not understanding the arguments for deletion. 202.124.73.65 (talk) 00:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There is nothing of real value here, most of it is based on assertions and assumptions. Any useful information would be better placed as small parts of other articles. ItsZippy (talk) 15:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- You may not personally get any value out of the article, but the content is thoroughly referenced with reliable sources. 202.124.73.65 (talk) 01:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I see that the related German article Priesterkind has material which might be relevant. 202.124.73.65 (talk) 01:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The recent improvements in response to this AFD nomination has almost completely fixed most of the reason I cited in the deletion nomination. This improvement was done by two IP addresses who are most likely the same person using a dynamic IP address. However, the article still has major NPOV violations, and I don't think it could be reworded to sufficiently conform to the NPOV policy; therefore, I continue to support deletion of this article. However, this discussion has been active for fourteen days, and currently there is clearly no consensus for either side. --Nat682 (talk) 00:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I see you have added an POV tag to the article, but neither here nor on the article talk page have you explained what the supposed NPOV violations are. There is a phenomenon (that of children of clergy) which is discussed both from outside the religious community (as sociology of religion, with considerable academic work) and within the religious community (as pastoral theology); the stereotype derived from the phenomenon is widespread in books, TV, and films (and is also discussed academically). The article incorporates all three points of view. WP:NPOV specifies "representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources." In my view this has been done, and there is no POV bias. Accordingly, I am removing the tag. I have found no other significant views that have been published by reliable sources -- if you are aware of them, please indicate what they are. 202.124.74.154 (talk) 01:33, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: the article is now so much improved from when it was nominated that, to establish a consensus for deletion, it would be necessary to re-nominate it. - Fayenatic (talk) 06:54, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - In that case, should I close this AfD as no consensus and then re-nominate it on grounds of major NPOV violations? --Nat682 (talk) 15:40, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No. You have expressed that there are NPOV violations. We will take this into account.Curb Chain (talk) 04:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Problems mentioned in the nomination can be (and indeed have now been) fixed by normal editing. Eluchil404 (talk) 17:11, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Powell (author)

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Does not meet criteria of WP:CREATIVE. Google search for his name and debut novel (The Ark) brings up booksellers and some YouTube/Facebook/etc. links but nothing in the way of independent reviews in reliable sources. The article author has added some references but they are from the local newspaper. Contested prod. ... discospinster _talk 15:25, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I have confirmed that there it are few if any sources other than businesses selling the book and unreliable sources (e.g. linkedin, Wikipedia). Promotional article written, it seems, by the subject of the article. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Leaning toward delete. The local paper that published two articles about him does serve a large metropolitan area, otherwise not much here, and the article is most likely an autobiography, which I've tagged a such. 76.248.147.81 (talk) 17:50, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. He did write a couple of published books that can be brought on Amazon.com but got nothing else on him. –BuickCentury Driver 01:38, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Merely having books published and offered for sale is not sufficient to establish notability, per WP:AUTHOR. 76.248.147.81 (talk) 02:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Anyone at all can have a book printed, buy a batch of 10 ISBNs, put one of the ISBNs on the book, and get Amazon to list it. That does nothing whatever to establish notability. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:42, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No attention beyond the local paper and no reviews of the books. I'd be more sympathetic with the local paper part if the books had been reviewed. Outside of that it's really just news, "local man writes book", "local man writes another book". Bit too soon for an article here. Ka Faraq Gatri (talk) 15:55, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per lack of notable sources. I searched "Andrew Powell author England" and without the England part just in case in both Yahoo and Google. However, I didn't get any reliable results except to other Andrew or Andy Powells. SwisterTwister talk 21:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ABC Leisure Group

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No indication of notability per WP:CORP. Google search brings up mainly directories and trivial mentions. References provided in the article are all to the various websites of the company. Contested prod. ... discospinster _talk 15:28, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:ORG. google news confirms its existence but does not provide evidence of indepth coverage. LibStar (talk) 04:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Although a reasonably well constructed page, references are all self referencing. Reads like an advertisement. No indication of notability. MrMarmite (talk) 09:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Barbara Riethe

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I cannot find sufficient RS indicia of notability of this person, who has been tagged for notability since 2007. Epeefleche (talk) 16:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per lack of notability. It shocks me that this article was hidden away since 2007 without any sooner nominations. I didn't find anything on her with Yahoo or Google. SwisterTwister talk 07:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tx for your good work looking at some of these AfDs that are otherwise attracting zero focus. I share your sentiments on this one.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Naval Intelligence of Pakistan

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There is only one reference for the article subject (i.e. Pakistan's Naval Intelligence organisation) and the reference contains only the name of the organisation's commander. I believe a small entry in the Pakistan Navy article and/or Military Intelligence of Pakistan article is sufficient. Hj108 (talk) 03:23, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Branch of a major military organisation? Seems like a clear keep to me. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:35, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Air Intelligence of Pakistan

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There is only one reference and this reference says nothing about Pakistan's Air Intelligence organisation other than telling us about its commander. Hj108 (talk) 03:14, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. I'm not sure where this should go, but it feels like this should be a redirect. On the merits, though, we don't have enough here to support an article. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 13:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Quilla Constance

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No indication of how artist meets WP:GNG. Might meet CSD:A7, but she's a multidisciplinary artist, so I can't just apply WP:BAND criteria. Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 17:15, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Doesn't quite meet A7 in my opinion; there's a sincere effort to show that the person has importance as an artist. But this person falls well short of WP:N in my opinion. -- Atama頭 18:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Quilla Constance/Jennifer Allen is a fine artist working through the mediums of pop music and video, so I think it would be more appropriate to consider her under fine art notability, rather than musical notability. She has had video works exhibited at a number of public galleries, i.e: Camden Arts Centre, Sunderland Gallery of Contemporary Art (Northern Gallery), The Metropole Gallery, Folkestone. She also has art work in major collections, such as Anita Zabludowicz, David Roberts and Goldsmiths College. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.221.225 (talk) 01:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC) — User:80.177.221.225 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 12:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

P.S- There's an article about the video work of Jennifer Allen in Frieze Magazine...June/August 2009 Issue 124. According to this she has video work in the Saatchi Collection. I think this is notable. http://www.frieze.com/issue/article/being_jennifer_allen/ 12:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

P.P.S- To be clear- Quilla Constance is one of the characters created by Jennifer Allen for her videos.09:27, 16 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.221.225 (talk) 12:18, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just found out Quilla Constance is a member of Equity. Please see her performer's profile. http://www.equity.org.uk/directory-of-members/quilla-constance/, 16 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.177.221.225 (talk) 12:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why this article is up for deletion nor why the picture has been removed; Jennifer Allen is a performance artist influenced by Paul McCarthy, Franco B et al, graduating from Ruskin/St John's College Oxford, completing a masters at Goldsmiths all at the highest level achievable; her inclusion in 'New Contempories', Saatchi online, Charlie Smith Gallery, the Zabludowicz collections is surely notable. As Quilla Constance, Allen lectured recently at the University of Kent on the development of the Quilla Constance character and its simultaneous residence in Fine Art and Pop contexts; every single piece of information within the Wiki thus far is verifiable and ranges from trivial listings right through to Gallery performances, performance at the Blitz Club [along with Rusty Egan and Steve Strange], the Cobden Club [along with Sir Bob Geldof], appearance/interview on Resonance FM, Exhibitions, reviews, St Johns, Goldsmiths etc all listed within the article or via links, easily verifiable and currently occupying over 40 pages if you google 'quilla constance'. That some individuals have issues with Allen's practice is undeniable, however the majority who have seen Allen and her work recognise her to be an exciting, emergent talent worthy of Wiki inclusion. Inclusions in Wiki need to start somewhere. The fact that one of the authors appears to be a gallery manager in whose space Allen's work has been displayed is both unsurprising and relevant considering the outstanding performance at Decima given earlier in the year. The frieze article 'being Jennifer Allen' written by the similarly named art critic 'Jennifer Allen' gives substantial column space to this Jennifer Allen [Quilla Constance] numerous times. To consider this article for deletion on the grounds of notabilty, verifiability or bias is farcical. Just check the sources! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.73.190.34 (talk • contribs) 10:45, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Comment. I'm putting off coming to my own conclusion on the delete for now, but the nature of the sources on the article page and above needs to be mentioned. First, the content at Allinlondon and Spoonfed which is cited for the list of performances in the article are both user-generated: not significant coverage and the blurbs inserted into the references from these sites are simply promotional. Also, being a member of Equity does not contribute to one's notability: the subject of the article simply signed up, as any performing artist can, regardless of notability. The twice cited Frieze article above certainly does not give "substantial column space" to the subject or add to her notability anymore than it does the other people named "Jennifer Allen" alluded to in the article. P.Oxy.2354 (talk) 23:03, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:MUSIC and WP:ENTERTAINER. Qworty (talk) 00:14, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok- I'll look for more sources. Regarding Equity- you may not consider this notable but according to Equity- not any performer can join. The performer must have previously be contracted to perform at least four paid professional performance jobs. In regards to significant coverage...ok allinlondon and Spoonfed are listings, but what about the extensive coverage on the Saatchi site? This is an in-depth article by a renowned art critic and curator (Jane Neal)from the Courtauld Institute. In terms of the article in Frieze...Jennifer Allen and her video work is mentioned three times, and this is evident to those who are familiar with her work. Surely the fact that she's known to an art-critic from Frieze counts for something? Jennifer Allen, the art critic from Berlin is a regular contributer to Frieze. 80.177.221.225 (talk) 09:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC) Please see the coverage in the Saatchi magazine : http://magazine.saatchionline.com/magazine-articles/artnews/emerging_artist_of_the_week_je_2 80.177.221.225 (talk) 09:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC) Also, there's coverage in the Oxford Gazette in Review of one of Jennifer Allen's earlier shows at The Burton Taylor Theatre : http://www.dailyinfo.co.uk/reviews/ballet/skins.htm 80.177.221.225 (talk) 09:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Taking to heart the concerned IPs' objections that this article should be judged not by the guidelines for band, music or entertainer, but according to "fine art notability" (above), I refer to WP:ARTIST, which the subject does not yet meet. The Saatchionline article is certainly something to be proud of, but most of the content concerns the simple act of performance (i.e. listings, announcements, often only a passing mention). It just doesn't add up to notability. Maybe after a few years, a few more substantial pieces dedicated to the actual criticism of work after the MFA. P.Oxy.2354 (talk) 09:06, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone rich can pay for PR companies to get press to write about stuff in abundance. It's a shame that this counts for notability over an artist who's actually doing something interesting... That's just my two cents worth. 80.177.221.225 (talk) 11:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — Cirt (talk) 20:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jackson Harris

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No indication of how artist meets WP:GNG SIunitDeglengo (talk) 17:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC) — SIunitDeglengo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG. Pentadecimal (talk) 12:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:18, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gerry Kavanaugh

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Biography of a non-notable businessman and political aide. Hirolovesswords (talk) 17:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Euan Ferguson

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In trying to reference this BLP, I've come up with very little. His guardian website profile verifies that he exists & writes for The Observer. It's possile there is some verifiable information in his own work, but I can't find any significant coverage of him in independent reliable sources. I can't find anything that suggests he has won any awards or anything like that either, so I don't think he meets the notability guidelines. Beloved Freak 18:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Red (psychedelic trance)

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No proof of notability per WP:MUSICBIO, article has sources like twitter,myspace etc. I supose it was created by artist himself. PtQa (talk) 21:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments - Be careful about suggesting that an editor has done things such as creating an article about himself if you don't have any evidence. Or if you do have evidence, always state what that evidence is.

My main concern with the article is that its entire content was obviously created using an exceptionally poor online translation engine, and as a result, most of the text qualifies as WP: Patent Nonsense. The ideal would be to replace the current text with freshly researched and referenced info, but unfortunately, I can't find the article's subject in All Music Guide, and for obvious reasons an internet search for information on a musician known simply as "Red" would be insanely difficult. Even a search of the Russian Music Charts produces way too many results to sift through.--Martin IIIa (talk) 21:29, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:19, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Psychodrome

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Procedural nomination. Theme park ride of questionable notability. This article was deleted three years ago as an uncontested prod, but was recreated today then nominated for speedy as no context. Although the speedy rationale doesn't apply, the deleted version was still much better than the new one, and an admin restored it. Neutral, but I feel this should be looked into. Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 21:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Phineas and Ferb's Musical Cliptastic Countdown

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This episode is not a very notable episode. An editor previously argued that it is the only place to find the ranking of the songs, however that is incorrect because the list is available at List of Phineas and Ferb songs JDDJS (talk) 21:50, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. joe decker ^{talk to me} 05:22, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Mudde

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Does not appear to meet notability guidelines. Only indepent reliable source in the article is supposedly a mention of him being arrested in a news paper (trouw) (the link is dead, so I can't check it). More sources would be required to establish notability, but I can't find them. Yoenit (talk) 22:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC) The link to the volkskrant article provides sufficient coverage to meet the notability guideline, so I am withdrawing the nomination. Yoenit (talk) 21:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Of courses archives of newspapers being placed behind a paywall or being purged altogether can't be grounds for deletion. The article is still available offline. Added active link from NRC Handelsblad mentioning Mudde. S_peakF_ree (talk) 22:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ofcourse it is still a valid source, but I can't check it now for depth of coverage. The NRC article is a nice find and mentions him in the following sentence (translation is mine): "Important members of Voorpost Nederland are Marcel Rüter and Time Mudde, previously the 'smarter' cadre of CP'89". Between that and a mention of him being arrested I still don't think enough coverage exists for a proper article. Yoenit (talk) 07:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Still then there is no ground for deletion of the entire article since there are reliable sources showing notability and the article doesn't fail WP:DEL#REASON. S_peakF_ree (talk) 16:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are not enough to establish notability, but lets get some outside opinions on that shall we? Yoenit (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Significant and in-depth coverage in multiple Dutch national newspapers, periodicals, and other media. --Lambiam 23:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Would you mind giving some examples? Such sources could be used to improve the article, but I have been unable to find them. Yoenit (talk) 07:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - For about a decade CP '86 was a "notable" (in the broadest sense of the word) part of the development of the Dutch extreme right with its emphasis on racism and nationalism and inclination towards Neo-Nazism, until its views were found to be criminal by the Dutch courts.[18] The Volkskrant article which is the first reference in the article highlights Tim Mudde's role within the party (though Google Translate renders him as Treasurer rather than Party Secretary - the two titles may refer to the same function)[19]. Knowledge is important, even when its subject is miasmatous. But someone should be keeping an eye on the development of the article. Opbeith (talk) 08:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I don't know how authoritative a source [20] is as a reference for the article itself but certainly it's worth considering as background information for this discussion. By its name Antifascistische Onderzoeksgroep Kafka makes its political position quite clear but its analysis is sober and appears solidly researched. It identifies Tim Mudde as a significant influence in Dutch neo-Nazi circles.(Google Translate: [21] ). (follow-up references at [22]) Opbeith (talk) 11:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also a bit more about Mudde's activities with Brigade M at [23]. Overall there's a fair amount of solid backing to reinforce the reliable source of De Volkskrant as to Mudde's notability, setting aside issues of savouriness. Opbeith (talk) 11:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for providing the sources. The volkskrant article clearly establishes notability, so I am withdrawing the nomination. Yoenit (talk) 21:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Google Translate is pretty handy for this sort of thing, but apparently Google have said that they plan to withdraw it within the next year because it's been abused. Opbeith (talk) 21:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Holland Village, China

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No sources, and a quick Google search reveals that the great majority, if not all, of the websites describing this area do not satisfy WP:Reliable sourcing requirements. A lack of coordinates or more specific administrative information isn't helpful either.
Redirect to Yang Bin: Since the sources have been found, the information itself can be kept. However, it does not seem to have much merit as its own article, so re-directing should be the better course of action.—HXL's Roundtable and Record 00:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete especially due to unsubstantiated claims about a living person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yotemordis (talk • contribs) 23:04, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, enough Google news hits on reliable sites to establish notability. --Lambiam 23:51, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

However it doesn't appear to be an official administrative division and seems only to be notable in the context of this aristocrat's career; at best this should be re-directed to him, but I am not ready to change my vote yet. —HXL's Roundtable and Record 01:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. In the first place, this is the name of a development, and not an administrative division. If this development was a contributing factor which led to the downfall of a significant businessman, than this article is probably notable, but I am not ready to offer a definite vote yet until I find out more.--Huaiwei (talk) 04:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ninjai

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Non-notable flash cartoon. JJ98 (Talk) 22:35, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Strongly disagree. Notable for being among the earliest Flash cartoons, and for being produced in Flash by non-technical types — people who had regular day jobs as window washers, stuntmen, etc. Had a passionate fan base in the early 2000s, one of the earliest fan bases for a Flash cartoon. Alien9542 (talk) 12:54, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the page? What?! This cartoon is a) amazing and b) plenty well known, and c) would be even more well known if there had been a new episode in the last 6 years. Way back when people were going nuts waiting for new episodes to come out. You don't go making feature length movies if you don't have a large fan base do you? Keowned (talk) 01:26, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While there is not an enormous wealth of sourcing, the three sources I added (a borderline book reference, a Dutch newspaper article on flash games which begins with 3 paragraphs using Ninjai as an example, and a small article in Black Belt magazine), sum to reach the bar, in my view, of WP:GNG, --joe decker ^{talk to me} 15:29, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 03:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RTV Star

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Procedural nomination. Serbian TV station. Prodded on the grounds that it is a hoax, but that assertion is not supported by a Google search. However, Google doesn't support this TV network's notability either, but this may be due to the fact my search string was in the Latin alphabet, not the Cyrillic one. Neutral. Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 00:01, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative delete, I could not find any sources but that does not really mean anything because I could not figure out what an appropriate name in Cyrillic would be, so that is pretty meaningless. I did find some few indicators of non-notability though: (1) the Serbian Wikipedia has no article on the station and as Serbia is a small country it would seem a notable television station would have an article by now (2) an older version of this article has links to the articles for each show on the station and when translated they often write about which stations they appeared on, and this station is never included, so it seems this station is minor enough that its not worth noting that a show was broadcast on it (3) the website for the station is pretty skeezy (has "/erotic games/" like "/Office Virginity Loss/" and "/Ana Slutty Wife/" on the front page) and while that hardly precludes notability it seems likely that a major channel would not have a website like that. jorgenev 09:21, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Could this station be related to RTV Pink?--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 04:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Possibly as an offshot, given that they give different inception dates in both articles, but before agreeing to a redirect I'd have to see evidence that they're indeed related. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 17:07, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. But after further looking I'm not sure there is any relation as "RTV" appears to be an abbreviation for 'radio-television' which seems to preface a number of serbian TV outlets, and apparently a number of serbian stations have played dubbed brazilian telenovelas. I'd love to know why that is!--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 18:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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