Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of wars involving Bulgaria

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The result was keep. No support here for the nominator’s proposal. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 16:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of wars involving Bulgaria

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Much as I am trying this page is so riddled with falsehoods, mistakes, POV puffery, and OR that I am not sure it is remediable.

It needs nuking and starting from scratch. Slatersteven (talk) 14:38, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Slatersteven (talk) 14:38, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bulgaria-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep AFD is not cleanup. If there is a problem then you solve it by normal editing, you don't delete it and hope someone will recreate it later on. Dream Focus 19:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep each battle listed has underlying pages, though cleanup is required of the results columns to incorporate results from underlying infoboxes and replace the current POV/puffery. Mztourist (talk) 03:23, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually many of the wars link to pages that do not seem to mention such a war. The first entry (for example) is a war that lasted from 680-792 but Byzantine–Bulgarian wars lists no such war, it has A war in 681 and another "Eight years later". The third entry lists a war as going on from 809-822, but this appears to refer to Siege of Serdica (809) which was not a war, it was one battle and too place in 809, there is no reference to this being part of a wider 13 year war. In other words, synthases.Slatersteven (talk) 08:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So those entries should be deleted. Mztourist (talk) 10:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

True, and it needs checking every entry, that is why I think it might be better to just start from scratch.Slatersteven (talk) 10:59, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I agree that this article definitely needs improvement, but as it stands, it appears to be notable enough. Foxnpichu (talk) 11:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Bulgaria was certainly involved in WW1 and WW2, as the page says. WP:TNT is just a disruptive essay which makes little sense while our actual policy is WP:ATD which states that "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 15:24, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Essential article. Don't see any reason to delete it. Riddhidev BISWAS (talk) 23:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Serves a purpose per WP:CLN, WP:AOAL // Timothy :: talk 02:49, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.