Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of current USFL team rosters

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:47, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of current USFL team rosters

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League no longer exists, thus there are no "current team rosters" now. In addition, these lists are WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Let'srun (talk) 19:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and American football. Let'srun (talk) 19:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Lists of people. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:53, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to and create List of current UFL team rosters, to update for the newly-merged league. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Hard disagree on a merge. Do you have a policy based rationale that these lists don't violate WP:NOTDATABASE, other than WP:OSE? Let'srun (talk) 19:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a rationale as to how this constitutes a "summary-only description of a work", "lyrics database", "excessive listing of unexplained statistics" or "exhaustive log of software updates"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Simply, these types of lists simply regurgitate and reproduce the non-independent and primary roster lists at the teams' respective websites (violating both LISTN and INDISCRIMINATE to their core). Unlike NFL or NBA team rosters where secondary and independent sources most definitely exist, this and many of the other lists on this type don't serve any useful purpose for navigation (due to many of the subjects within them not holding notability themselves, and as such they don't provide any real info beyond that of a database. Readers are much better off simply visiting the league and team websites where they can see automatically updated rosters with more info on individual players than what is contained here, or in a hypothetical merge. Let'srun (talk) 20:05, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will keep replies at Xfl discussion so as to not waste twice the effort explaining the same thing. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy create List of current UFL team rosters and speedy redirect both this and the similar XFL page to the newly created page in order to protect the respective page histories. The XFL and USFL no longer exist so there is no reason to have a current roster page. In my opinion this does not need to go through AFD but we are here anyway. I agree with Beaniefan that these lists do not violate NOTDATABASE as most of the listed athletes are notable. Frank Anchor 22:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Resliting. Again, get started creating these Merge/Redirect target articles!
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:41, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is a great example of why Wikipedia should rarely (if ever) host "list of current..." pages: they're all at risk of becoming irrelevant, like this one has. Since notability is not temporary, we must infer that these topics weren't notable to begin with. If we really must maintain lists of team rosters, they ought to be per season, rather than "current". pburka (talk) 04:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Where else contains all of this information? League and team websites, where such primary directory data are more accurate, updated automatically, and linked to more info on these mainly non-notable players. We are not a mirror of directories on the internet, we are supposed to summarize a topic that has itself already received significant secondary independent coverage.

JoelleJay (talk) 05:48, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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