Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Greek video game developers

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 12:55, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of Greek video game developers

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This is just WP:LISTCRUFT with only about 4 notable entries. The rest are unsourced and don’t exist. I’ve attempted to clean it up multiple times but it keeps being restored to this unsourced cruft. Considering there are so few entries, I don’t see any encyclopedic value to this list. Praxidicae (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:25, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The title is inconsistent with our category system, which uses "developer" to mean people. Category:Video game companies of Greece only has one member at present, so it may well be premature at best for this list to exist, if consensus is (as is typical for company lists) to only include notable entries. This kind of list by country also does not appear to be standard for this industry on WP. postdlf (talk) 23:35, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 8 of the games have their own articles. This list video games developed in Greece as well as the companies that made them. Enough blue links to qualify for a list article. Dream Focus 05:21, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. There does not seem to be a discernible reason for it to exist, in lieu of a category, especially since none of the developers have their own articles._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 07:36, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article has encyclopedic value in terms of it listing companies who are actively developing, or have pioneered game development activities in the region, of which not much can be found on the web in a single place due to the business being largely fragmented in the country. I will agree there's room for improvement, such as creating articles for individual entries or notable games, and I believe this could be a direction for future work by Greek Wikipedia editors.(talk) 10:04, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd only say it has encyclopedic value if it listed studios notable enough to be in the encyclopedia. Having zero criteria for inclusion makes it fall firmly in WP:INDISCRIMINATE territory._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 10:51, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand your point. However this list was made to demonstrate the current state of affairs in the Greek game development business market, which might be of interest to someone, e.g. for research purposes. I believe it contributes to knowledge, and may be of use to someone, such as a foreign game developer or artist contemplating a move to Greece, or simply Greek, game enthusiasts.
  - If you look at something like List of game companies in the United Kingdom there is a big difference. All the members of that list are blue links to notable companies. You are better off working on making (notable) articles that could potentially FILL the list before you create it. In addition, Video gaming in Greece is redlinked if you wanted to work on that as well. Until then, this article should be draftified or removed, since it's original research right now._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 13:18, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks, that is exactly what I intend to do. To me it would be helpful to have an aggregated list of known companies of which to work off, given there are a number of notable companies (other still active, others now defunct) and games (e.g. 1453-1821 being the very first Greek game to actually hit store shelves, yet it doesn't have an article yet), which can contribute a lot in terms of knowledge, but unfortunately no one has ever taken the time to work on this. I hope to spark more interest in such an endeavor among Greek editors, and this list is the first step towards that direction. Perhaps it was the wrong way to go about this, given the actual content is not there yet, but still I find it a good practice to gather all relevant state-of-the-art prior to going into detail. But I intend to bring something that will hopefully match the List of game companies in the United Kingdom in terms of quality in the not-too-distant-future. As such, I'm just making an argument that, as a user, I'd like to see this evolved, not deleted. Ergotelis123(talk) 10:18, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - I would certainly not be opposed to Userification/Draftification until such point where there are enough proven notable game studios to merit such an article, and the article can also be fully referenced._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of video game developers or another similar article (such as an article on technology or entertainment industry in Greece). Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:40, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and any notable company (that has an article or one of its games has an article) can be placed on the List of video game developers. The Economy of Greece too could mention a few companies as the industry has gained some notability in the country. Ktrimi991 (talk) 01:41, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge what exactly? This is an entirely unsourced list with only 4 notable entries and none of them are actual developers. Praxidicae (talk) 00:42, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On second thought I modified my original comment to make my opinion clearer. The list should not stay an article on its own. If there is any company that editors judge to be suitable, should be moved to List of video game developers. Ktrimi991 (talk) 01:41, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:LC items 2, 4, and 11. Stifle (talk) 11:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, totally unsourced. I'd be less worried about the sourcing if it only included companies we have articles about, because those articles would in turn contain the sourcing. But as it is, this list asserts that the companies exist, and what games they make, all of which fails WP:V in its current state. I would not be opposed to recreating such a list if it had reliable sourcing. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:27, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the criteria for inclusion, such as it is, is so vague as to be meaningless. More fundamentally WP:LISTN is not met because it has not "been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". Add to that the fact that it is wholly unsourced so nothing in the list can be relied upon then we have a clear case for deletion. 2A02:C7F:4481:8300:90DC:E235:5074:54B0 (talk) 22:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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