Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ang Dalawang Ikaw episodes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Ang Dalawang Ikaw. The basic question here is not one of notability, but of whether we need one large article, or an article and a list. With respect to this question, the argument that there isn't enough content to necessitate a split is persuasive, and has not been rebutted. Vanamonde (Talk) 13:15, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ang Dalawang Ikaw episodes

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Poorly referenced TheHotwiki (talk) 05:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Ang Dalawang Ikaw. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 09:22, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Because the list is notable for Ang Dalawang Ikaw due to lack of notability. AnsrieJames9 (talk) 12:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What?TheHotwiki (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Striking AnsrieJames9's second vote and restoring the first vote he erased. You can comment anytime you want, but you can vote only once. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 11:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per Hueman1. NavjotSR (talk) 13:00, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Ang Dalawang Ikaw since the program just recently premiere, plus making an article for the program's episode list is WP:TOOSOON. CruzRamiss2002 (talk) 13:08, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Episode lists are standard conventions and will make the main article too messy as it develops. matt91486 (talk) 07:36, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Ang Dalawang Ikaw. Tessaracter (talk) 15:40, 15 August 2021 (UTC) [reply]
Keep: The show will be on its 9th week and is still ongoing. Therefore, it's not WP:TOOSOON to have an episode list since it's created days after the show began. And regarding ratings and the likes, there is no deadline in finding reliable sources. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 16:00, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Superastig: When do we expect to see these reliable sources? The article has been proposed for deletion for days and nothing has been done to the article especially with reliable references. TheHotwiki (talk) 08:58, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hotwiki, I just added one. Given that these sources are hard to find or occasionally posted, anyone (even I) can add any of them by the following days or weeks. It's no big deal at all. Like I said, there is no deadline. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 11:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Superastig: If you can't find enough sources and then you shouldn't have made a separate article for episodes. Ang Dalawang Ikaw isn't a big article to begin with.TheHotwiki (talk) 12:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hotwiki, there's really nothing wrong with creating a separate article for a list of episodes days after a certain series was premiered. Shows like this don't usually have a fixed duration. I don't mind if it's tagged as a stub. Anyone like me can add some more by the following days or weeks if they have found some. I have explained more than enough. And I won't reply to this post again. My keep stands. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 15:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's also nothing wrong by merging to another article, as the article for The Dalawang Ikaw isn't big.TheHotwiki (talk) 18:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The episode list since it's created and there is no deadline to find reliable sources. AnsrieJames9 (talk) 07:08, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to the said article per nomination.----Rdp060707|talk 10:53, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Astig's and Matt's argument. I see nothing wrong with having an article for an episode list of every drama/anthology series. Ang Dalawang Ikaw has been on air for many weeks. The title of every episode can be seen on GMA's social media accounts, but finding reliable sources for the ratings can be much of a challenge. I agree with them that there's no WP:DEADLINE since anyone can add them in the following weeks. 2 sources about the program and at least 1 source for the rating of a certain episode (usually the pilot episode) is good enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 01:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Matt's argument. These lists are standard and I see no way how merging would not result in a cluttered article. I would also like to reiterate Astig's point that there is no deadline. Koikefan (talk) 08:18, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lists have to be well sourced which List of Ang Dalawang Ikaw episodes isn't. It is also borderline Wikipedia:Fancruft. Also Ang Dalawang Ikaw is not a big article to warrant a separate episode list article. Also the episode list article was made before the series aired more than five episodes. I hope editors will read Wikipedia:Article size before making another list of episodes article. TheHotwiki (talk) 09:40, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of it being started when there were 5 episodes, there are very clearly more than 5 episodes as of now. matt91486 (talk) 16:38, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, there's no WP:DEADLINE. This is not bordering on fancruft, as it it's not about an obscure or esoteric part of the show, it's about its episodes. By that logic, every single episode list of an underseen Filipino television show is fancruft. The relevant guideline here is WP:Merging which states that merges are to be avoided if 1. The resulting article would be too long or "clunky" (I think that's the case here), 2. The separate topics could be expanded into longer standalone (but cross-linked) articles (I think that's the case here) and 3. The topics are discrete subjects warranting their own articles, even though they might be short (I think that's the case here). Koikefan (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Both Ang Dalawang Ikaw and List of Ang Dalawang Ikaw episodes aren't long articles. An example of a long article is COVID-19 pandemic.TheHotwiki (talk) 19:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.