Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jordan Palmer (social activist)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to Kentucky Equality Federation. Liz Read! Talk! 00:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Palmer (social activist) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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Not passing BLP or GNG guidelines. No sourcing found about this person; most of what's used for sourcing in the article is about the Equality Foundation he's involved with. Oaktree b (talk) 00:51, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia, no wonder no one trusts it anymore. It has gone to trash in the last five years with people such as yourself trying to delete good pages that have stood unedited for more than a decade. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 04:49, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comments like this aren't helping. Either provide a policy-based !vote or provide a policy-based counterpoint. Idle complaining and griping like this isn't persuading anyone or going to be factored into the closing Admin's decision, so stop wasting your time. You're an experienced editor; you should know better. Sergecross73 msg me 01:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is Kentucky HISTORY. I have added additional newspaper clippings because you could not group up and be LGBTI in Kentucky for nearly 20 years without Jordan Palmer being an inspiration. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 23:46, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, I have not taken a stance in the matter, and don't disagree with your constructive comments on the subject. I'm just warning you to stop with all the "This is why no one likes Wikipedia anymore unconstructive comments. Sergecross73 msg me 18:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There are likely many articles in the Wikipedia today that are both quite aged and also don't pass WP:N and WP:RS. The point here with this AfD is the contention there aren't enough reliable secondary sources that cover the subject person as himself rather than as a representative of an organization. Of course, if you know of such sources, please bring them here (or add them to the article) - I'm sure they will be faithfully considered. Stefen Towers among the rest! GabGruntwerk 01:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, so go fix it then. Complaining won't fix it. I couldn't find anything. Oaktree b (talk) 03:43, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/redirect. People are not "inherently" notable, or entitled to have standalone articles as separate topics from their employer, just for having jobs — but the sources here are fundamentally about the organization he worked for, not about him, and thus aren't establishing that he would surpass the bar needed to qualify for his own separate article. Bearcat (talk) 14:48, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge/redirect per above arguments. My horrible research skills are turning up practically nothing about the founder of the organization separate from the organization. People found organizations all the time that become notable, even if they ultimately do not. Of course, if someone with research skills superior to mine can show me up with links to reliable, secondary coverage of the subject, please proceed. And note, I do very much appreciate the subject person's work! But doing great, constructive things in this world doesn't automatically get you an encyclopedia article. Stefen Towers among the rest! GabGruntwerk 02:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That is probably because you do not have an account.com. with them, or the Lexington Herald-Leader (kentucky.com) or you definitely have NOT checked wymt.com, wykt.com, lex18.com or the local ABC affiliate. Multiple articles are already listed and noted, but apparently, no one has bothered to check. I stopped by $50.00 monthly donations to Wikipedia and notified them why. This policy of deleting articles because of one person's opinion is just not acceptable, especially when organizations like Marriage Equality USA are permitted to complete delete their information. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 10:00, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, please consider/evaluate new sources added to the article. This action is helpful, complaining about the state of Wikipedia, isn't.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:49, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did, but they got deleted. I stopped by $50.00 monthly donations to Wikipedia and notified them why. This policy of deleting articles because of one person's opinion is just not acceptable, especially when organizations like Marriage Equality USA are permitted to complete delete their information. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 10:01, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, we know how you feel, please stick to policy-based comments here. Oaktree b (talk) 14:03, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Additional newspaper links added. Finding others. Commonwealth1333 (talk) 11:09, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the new sources added aren't about this individual, only quoting them on other subjects. Still not seeing GNG as having been met. Hyper-local coverage also, would help if we had more national news items. Oaktree b (talk) 14:09, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for adding these sources, but I agree with Oaktree b. I still see only passing mentions and not significant coverage about this individual. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:01, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Herald-Leader (formerly the Lexington Herald-Leader is housed at www.kentucky.com to reflect its sole coverage of the entire commonwealth as noted in their website address) is the only newspaper in Kentucky that covers the entire Commonwealth. I also found a front page article from The Atlantic magazine. I also located photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/184027243@N06/48665491353/in/photostream/ and here is a Washington, D.C. article https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24747229.html and another national article https://www.thepinknews.com/2013/03/28/us-kentucky-overrules-veto-on-bill-protecting-actions-motivated-by-religious-belief/ (one of many). Commonwealth1333 (talk) 11:23, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PinkNews is about the lawsuit, not this person. Flickr photos don't help notability. I'm sorry, but none of these help the notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:04, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Source assessment table prepared by User:Presidentman
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/04/growing-up-gay-and-transgendered-in-appalachia/238047/ Yes Yes Yes Yes
https://www.jordanpalmer.us/p/about-col-jordan-palmer.html No Self-published source about Palmer ~ Self-published source about Palmer Yes No
https://news.kyequality.org/2006/10/kentucky-equality-federation-protests.html No Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation No No
https://news.kyequality.org/2006/12/anti-gay-christians-miss-message.html No Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation No No
https://www.kentucky.com/latest-news/article43990728.html Yes Yes ~ Interviewed as leader of KEF but also discusses his own relationship ~ Partial
https://news.kyequality.org/2009/11/same-sex-couples-march-for-marriage.html No Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Interviewed as leader of KEF but also discusses his own relationship No
https://news.kyequality.org/2009/02/kentucky-equalitys-response-to-family.html No Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation No Not mentioned at all No
https://www.kentucky.com/living/religion/article44101584.html Yes Yes No Quoted as leader of KEF No
https://www.kentucky.com/2013/09/12/2817807/group-files-lawsuit-challenging.html Yes Yes Dead link ? Unknown
https://web.archive.org/web/20131225005654/http://lezgetreal.com/2013/09/kentucky-equality-federation-sues-void-states-equal-marriage-ban/img001/ No Lawsuit filed by KEF Yes No No
https://community.kyequality.org/2013/09/kentucky-equality-federation-sues.html No Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation No Quoted as leader of KEF No
https://www.slideshare.net/kjoshuakoch/governor-beshear ~ Filing from opposing party in lawsuit filed originally by KEF Yes No Quoted as leader of KEF No
https://www.facebook.com/KYEquality/photos/p.10153373501693563/10153373501693563/ No Facebook post from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Facebook post from Kentucky Equality Federation No No
https://news.kyequality.org/2009/01/five-questions-with-jordan-palmer.html No Published on Kentucky Equality Federation website ~ Interview with Palmer Yes No
https://community.kyequality.org/2015/06/marriageequality-special-statement-on.html No Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation No Quoted as leader of KEF No
https://community.kyequality.org/2012/04/two-plead-guilty-in-kevin-pennington.html No Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation No Quoted as leader of KEF No
https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/crime/article44160900.html Yes Yes No Quoted as leader of KEF No
https://community.kyequality.org/2012/10/kevin-pennington-hate-crime-trial.html No Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation No Quoted as leader of KEF No
https://news.kyequality.org/2012/04/first-federal-hate-crime-indictment.html No Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation ~ Press release from Kentucky Equality Federation No Quoted as leader of KEF No
https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/crime/article44156931.html Yes Yes No Quoted as leader of KEF No
https://www.kentucky.com/news/state/kentucky/article44171952.html Yes Yes Yes Yes
https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/biography/148912/jordan-palmer#.U-8-5PldWFk Possibly user-generated content No No
https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article44115600.html Yes Yes No Quoted as friend of subject No
https://www.jordanpalmer.us/ No Self-published source about Palmer ~ Self-published source about Palmer Yes No
https://www.wtvq.com/ky-equality-federation-threatens-lawsuit-for-alleged-discrimination-of-lgbtq-student/ Yes Yes No Quoted as leader of KEF No
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.