Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jerrel Wolfgang

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The result was keep‎. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:11, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jerrel Wolfgang

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Made 11 appearances for Helmond Sport in the Eerste Divisie in the 2005–06 season. A web search finds passing mentions but no WP:SIGCOV. The article fails WP:GNG. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:59, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:59, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Netherlands. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This article is definately SIGCOV. I will see if I can find more. gidonb (talk) 13:52, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:27, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources newly presented which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:08, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meantime, I found more articles with SIGCOV.[1][2] Previously, I had found this one.[3] Note also that this is in the "lull years" between newspapers keeping articles online and inclusion of articles in the national newspaper archives. gidonb (talk) 00:28, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - Although the Provinciale Zeeuwse Courant piece is fairly in-depth and not quote-heavy like the other two articles Gidonb found, I don't think there is quite enough to pass the GNG here. Most of the coverage focuses on his appearing alongside actually notable footballers like Huntelaar and van Persie, or that there were big expectations for the former Heerenveen academy/U-21 national player. Jogurney (talk) 16:53, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is only the tip of the iceberg of what will be available after the newspaper articles are included in the national archives. See the Jeroen van Wetten AfD for illustration. These are gotcha nominations, utilizing a lull between newspapers and archives, that blow a hole in the coverage of Dutch football. gidonb (talk) 02:01, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How does removing these as standalones blow a hole in Dutch football? They're microstubs, they're not offering any "coverage". Aren't the players all mentioned in lists covering teams/seasons already? JoelleJay (talk) 03:02, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BLOW A HOLE - with enough reptition and lack of defense a huge hole. Otherwise a modest one. MICROSTUBS – This is a good point and not because I made it as well. Rather, because there should be more to article governance than just notability. It's the reason I do not bother with all that nom nominated. All are notable and all are in the lull. Most are microstubs. Only one was not and I should really not get into the person who created that. Microstubs add little to WP and can from my perspective always be replaced by or redirected to a list entry with some infrmation per item. Doesn't even need to be 100% identical. Or go to deletion with no prejudice. Hard deletion too in the case of this guy who inversed our categories and machine created many idiotic entries and lists along the lines of "Mario Bruno is an Italian film producer." I often get annoying blowback when I make this point ("but it's notable") so I cherish your comment. ALL MENTIONED – not really. gidonb (talk) 04:53, 24 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - @GiantSnowman:, Per Gidonb. Clearly as significant figure in Dutch lower league football in 2000s so diefnily has more offense sources besides the many good ones above provided by Gidonb @GiantSnowman:. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keeep while Jerrel Wolfgang might not be an internationally renowned footballer, his career in the Eerste Divisie (the second-highest tier of football in the Netherlands) and representation of the Netherlands U21 national team make him a notable figure within the scope of football, fulfilling Wikipedia's notability guidelines for athletes. --Bash7oven (talk) 15:26, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bash7oven: Playing in the Eerste Divisie and for the Netherlands U21 does not confer notability. Please provide a policy-based rationale. Robby.is.on (talk) 16:01, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hm, I would provide this Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability however its' only an essay. Bash7oven (talk) 07:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bash7oven: WikiProject Football/Notability for players was deprecated a while ago which is why it states: "The player section of this notability guidance has been superseded by WP:Notability (sports), and is included below for information only as a record of the previous guidance that the Footy project came up with." Robby.is.on (talk) 08:10, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
yes, thank you! Bash7oven (talk) 09:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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