Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Girallon

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters. (non-admin closure) ––Redditaddict69 ^(talk) ^(contribs) 07:36, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Girallon

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This is a science fiction animal mentioned in books by Wizards of the Coast. All sources in the article are to publications from Wizards of the Coast and are, therefore, not WP:INDEPENDENT. Further, Wizards of the Coast's publications have previously been shown to present material errors, omissions, and exaggerations (see: here) and should be presumed non-RS prima facie. A BEFORE on JSTOR, newspapers.com, Google Books, and Google News finds no INDEPENDENT WP:RS referencing this science fiction animal. Fails GNG. Chetsford (talk) 07:24, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Chetsford (talk) 07:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Chetsford (talk) 07:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Bondegezou (talk) 11:29, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters. BOZ (talk) 11:57, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on current usage at List of Dungeons & Dragons 3.5 edition monsters#WTC 17755 – Monster Manual (2003). Pretty much all the D&D homegrown creations here have separate articles, and generally all the refs are in-house (ex., Aboleth, Allip, Krenshar, Locathah, ...). I don't necessarily agree that all these three-armed bird-toads should have separate articles, but that seems to be a topic-level discussion waiting to be had, not something specific to this particular one. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:22, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is no policy mentioned here, this appears to be an argument of WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST. I believe the correct course of action when multiple policy violating content is discovered is to delete what is possible, versus deleting none of it at all. Chetsford (talk) 20:01, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I knew that OSE would be dragged in now :) I think I'm going to make a template that I can just slap on whenever someone misuses that (should be about twice a day). Have a look at Wikipedia:Other_stuff_exists#Creation_of_articles, which covers just this kind of situation. Decisions based on individual merit are fine, but WP:OSE is not a counter-argument in itself - consensus-based common usage is a legitimate precedence to point to. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 20:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It seems we're in an Essay v Essay battle! Chetsford (talk) 20:26, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Chances are there was some applicable RfC on the issue at some point, which would be a much preferable thing to point to, but I for one can't find it (and the talk pages of related projects are a bit of a fanboy swamp to wade through, frankly...) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ha - swamp is a good word! Chetsford (talk) 21:09, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters Hugsyrup (talk) 15:24, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:30, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters. Clear failure to meet WP:GNG due to lack of independent sources. (In terms of the OSE/precedent/consensus discussion above, the most recent related discussion I was able to find was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medusa (Dungeons & Dragons) (2nd nomination) which ended with a consensus to merge.) Lowercaserho (talk) 10:43, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Girallon is a notable Dungeons and Dragons monster. IP restrictions prevent widespread use (as with Illithid and other monsters that Wizards of the Coast have not put under the Open Gaming license). However, the Girallon has been a feature creature since it was created. There's even a zombie Girallon in 5th editions's Tomb of Annihilation. The Girallon does crop up in licensed fiction as well as D&D products. This book, for example. Having said that, the article needs a copy edit. If it is retained I'll work on it. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 12:18, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Both of the sources you've cited list the publisher as "Wizards of the Coast" which is not WP:INDEPENDENT. Chetsford (talk) 16:41, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Upon consideration, as nom, I have no real objection to a Merge to List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters based on the rationale set out by lowercaserho. Chetsford (talk) 16:43, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of Dungeons & Dragons 3rd edition monsters per above. Aoba47 (talk) 18:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
'Merge, which should bethe normal way of treating them unless there is some special reason. That it does not have widespread use, as recognized above, is a reason for not having a separate article. DGG ( talk ) 20:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge. The list article offers the appropriate place for this content. Szzuk (talk) 06:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.