Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Futurama (season 7)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Futurama (season 6). Black Kite (t) (c) 20:16, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Futurama (season 7)

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There is no such thing as Futurama season 7. It appears the article creator is in error, and may have confused the production seasons with the broadcast seasons of the show. The episode listed on the article is for Season 6, and the only citation present on the article specifically states this. .:Alex :. 08:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - it's not a hoax and it's not an error. These two references identify that season 6 is to be split into two 'runs' - [1] [2]. Given that Benderama is the only unscheduled episode from the first 13 (of which 12 are scheduled), it is likely to be in the second run. The only problems with the article are verifiability/crystal ballery. However, I think the topic is notable and that the article should stay. - Richard Cavell (talk) 11:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep/Redirect in some form Even a casual google search reveals plenty of sources on the matter. Appears some do consider season 6 as season 7 and vice versa. Ryan Norton 13:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep mostly because of my growing love for Futurama and the statements made by Richard. ☭FryPod 14:24, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Frypod (talk · contribs) has been blocked and has admitted to being a sock of a banned user. —Soap— 19:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The references support the existence of a season 7 in this capacity, and the matter was already debated and reached to a consensus on the numerous related talk pages. KnownAlias contact 19:42, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There appears to be a major misunderstanding here. Due to the erratic nature in which Futurama is broadcast on television, there are more "broadcast seasons" than actual production seasons. Wikipedia features Futurama season articles by production season (as opposed to "broadcast season"), as this is the order and categorisation featured on the DVDs and the true, intended order of the episodes. Production Season 6 is being shown as two seperate "broadcast seasons", which is were the confusion originates. The first half is being shown this year, and the second half is being shown next year.Therefore, it is entirely incorrect to have an article called "production season 7" as it simply does not exist in any way shape or form; hence why I have nominated this for deletion. The show's own creators even acknowledged just the other day their uncertainty for "Season 7". --.:Alex :. 16:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The assertion that this is a "South Park" situation is more crystal ball nonsense, flying in the face of referenced evidence that was reverted for being "incorrect". Verifiablilty is the Wikipedia standard, and a source exstsis that says they will be split. The continued arguements of the number of 6ACXxx episodes is also speculative, since The Simpsons (season 21) had both LABFxx and MABFxx codes, and American Dad! (season 5) had both 4AJNxx and 5AJNxx codes. It is not a given that those codes would air in the intended seasons. And as long as we're being speculative, it would be unprecedented for a cable network to order a 26 episode season of anything. Even The Simpsons on network never exceeded 25. Comedy Central's budget would never provide for a single 26 episode season. Even the split South Park season is only 14. KnownAlias contact 19:42, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In reply to KnownAlias The source that exists say that the season will be split into two. It doesn't say two production seasons, it just says two seasons. Countless sources exist that state that it will be split into two broadcast seasons. Clearly the source in question is talking about them splitting production season 6 into two broadcast seasons. The Simpsons production codes only overlap from season to season when the episode is a hold-over from a past production season. The extra production code values exist when extra episodes are added mid-season or when they're produced by different people to the rest of the run. This hasn't happened in Futurama yet. As for American Dad!, that season 5 list refers to the show's broadcast season. We're discussing Futurama's sixth PRODUCTION SEASON. It would not be unprecedented for a cable network to order a 26 episode season of a show if they intended it to be aired as two separate airdate seasons. They would most likely have just ordered 13 episodes to begin with but they were striking a deal with Fox as well and obviously they had to order a lot of episodes at once to make it financially viable -just as how they had to make 4 straight-to-dvd movies rather than just one for financial reasons. And as for the only split South Park season being 14, no. They've split their seasons in half since at least season 7 but 14 is still mid-season. Look at the airdates.Omega cyber turnip (talk) 01:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Reply to Omega cyber turnip I spoke poorly. I didn't mean Season 14 of South Park, I meant, in defence of Comedy Central not ordering a single 26 episode season, that South Park doesn't exceed 14 episodes. As for the rest, you continue to speak of the PRODUCTION season, but you filled the table on Futurama (season 6) as if there's no difference between a production season and a broadcast season. Yes, there is only ONE production season. Comedy Central ordered 26 episodes, and that's how the producers chose to produce it. But it is NOT one broadcast season, there will be a sixth and seventh season. This was discussed on the talk page, where you should have brought the matter up further, instead of unilaterally changing information to your preference and understanding. I'm not even saying I agree with it completely; Futurama should be listed by broadcast season for each season like any other page, but that is not the consensus that was reached in this case. The consensus didn't start broadcast order until season 6. And I am defending the consensus, whether you (or even I) like it or not. KnownAlias contact 02:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In reply to the reply I filled the table before I was aware that people were having a difference of opinions on how season 6 should be listed -I'm fairly new here so sorry, I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. Wikipedia lists Futurama by production seasons, hence production season six should be listed as production season 6. There is also an option to view the episodes by broadcast order, this is where the page for this season should go (albeit, as season 8, not 7). Even if people decide that it's broadcast seasons 6 and 7, that shouldn't have any impact on the production season pages on Wikipedia. This is a page for production season 7 that we're discussing the deletion of and you basically just admitted yourself that it doesn't exist.Omega cyber turnip (talk) 02:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Wikipedia classifies Futurama episodes by production season rather than broadcast season. A single production season may indeed by split into multiple broadcast seasons, and that's exactly what happens with Futurama. There's no evidence that Benderama is part of a seventh production season. Reach Out to the Truth 16:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Reach Out... and Alex. Note this article actually qualifies for a category G5 Speedy as the creation of a blocked user. The creator was evading multiple blocks at the time of creation, and many of the edits by this account were deliberate introductions of factual errors. Majorclanger (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Adding to that last comment, this cannot be considered season 7 in any way shape or form. It's the 2nd half of production season 6 but it's also broadcast season 8. Broadcast season 7 is the first half of production season 6 which is currently airing on television. To have this article would mean that you'd be mixing broadcast seasons with production seasons which is just messy and incorrect. Wikipedia offers you the choice of viewing episodes by production seasons or broadcast seasons. Production is default (and rightfully so; fans consider them the true seasons and so do the show's creators). This article should be deleted to make room for an article on broadcast season 8 if a separate article is needed.

The 26 episodes of season 6 were ordered together and each one has a 6ACV production code ranging from 6ACV01 to 6ACV26. Script pages have been released which confirm episodes from the second run to have a 6ACV code and not a 7ACV code which they would have if they were 'production season 7'. Here are two of said images: 'http://pool.theinfosphere.org/images/e/e4/6ACV24_Production_Script.jpg' and 'http://pool.theinfosphere.org/images/6/68/Production_script_cover_of_6ACV14.jpg'. Comedy Central may refer to the second run as another season but it means another broadcast season, not production season. They do a similar thing with South Park each year by splitting each season into two 7-episode runs, but each year's 14 episodes still only officially constitutes one production season.Omega cyber turnip (talk) 17:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal - I suggest that we give this discussion, as with all discussions on Futurama seasons, over to the Futurama talk pages. It appears that we are now sure that this is not a hoax, but a product of a confusion between production and broadcast seasons. It's really up to the Futurama fans/writers to figure this out. - Richard Cavell (talk) 01:17, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:47, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into season 6 until the broadcast season vs. production season is settled via RS'es calling the second half of production season six "season seven". That allows a redirect and a consolidated presentation of the article about the production season in one place, which can then be split out again if and when RS'es settle the season seven issue. Jclemens (talk) 05:14, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Changing my vote; Jclemens' rationale is the most concise rationale of ignoring the season 7 evidence thus far. KnownAlias contact 10:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Jclemens, as it makes perfect sense at this point. Ryan Norton 20:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A merge would be redundant as the information is all already included on Futurama's season 6 page.Omega cyber turnip (talk) 21:00, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Season 6's page does not seem to mention the new "Bendarama" episode. How would it be redundant to merge? --Odie5533 (talk) 12:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect, with footnote – Episode details go into the Season 6 article with a footnote as to why the episode might be considered part of season 7. If the information is redundant to merge as User:Omega cyber turnip say (though I did not see it), then just delete the season 7 article entirely. Without more reliable sources, we can't even determine if season 7 should exist and thus creating it becomes speculation. --Odie5533 (talk) 12:43, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.