Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flag of Al-Ahwaz

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Al-Ahwaz

Improperly sourced article used to advocate Arab nationalist propaganda. User who created article admits to being an Arab nationalist. "Al-Ahwaz" is not a legally recognized name for the region being described. Wikipedia does not exist to further nationalist propaganda. We've been through this before many times. Khorshid (talk) 12:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for above stated reason. This region does NOT exsist. PKF8586 —Preceding comment was added at 20:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for above stated reason. Khorshid (talk) 12:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ali doostzadeh (talk • contribs) 14:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I thought OR wasnt allowed here.--Zereshk (talk) 16:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Yes I think the content is not suitable for an encyclopedia.The "Al-Ahwaz" group itself is an imaginary entity itself, and it's flag is more prone for deletion than that unknown name.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 16:11, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Keep —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arab League (talk • contribs) 17:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

is that your excuse?? that it is not legally recobnized??

Wikipedia's mission as an encyclopedia is to show the truth, both truth, you cant deny the fact that their are organizations trying to work for independance of the Ahwaz, and they have chosen this flag for them, and an article needs to be made to explain what the flag means...

and i am an arab nationalist, it is not a bad thing being an Arab, its actually pretty natural ;)

as for you my friend, your nationalism of being a persian is threatening Wikipedia, by deleting articles that you think are "imaginary".

the Ahwaz region is similar to other territories in the World that are trying to claim a free state for themselves, pretty much like Kosovo trying to gain independance, and serbia disapproving, but the Irani style is to just delete the name from the History...

these links prove that their is a liberation front calling for a free Ahwaz...

[alahwaz.org]
[www.alkarkha.com]
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[2]

other Links in Wikipedia created to inform the reader of the Ahwaz:

Ahwazi Democratic Popular Front

the Ahwaz region articles have been vandalised by the previous members calling for a speedy deletion, removing categories in its articles...

[3]

they have also called for the speedy deletion for several articles that show the truth about Ahwaz's liberation movement...

i, along with the Arab World Wiki Project denounce the act, and call for Wikipedia to see the truth in this, and find that these persians are making Wikipedia into a political forum debate, which is something im pretty sure wikipedia is not...

thank you --Arab League User (talk) 17:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Non-existent region name = non-existent flag therefore that should equate to a non-existent Wikipedia article. --WebHamster18:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It exists here [4] and here [5], so why not on Wikipedia?--Conjoiner (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unencyclopedic entry, original reserach, no sources, non-existent region name only used by fringe political advocacy groups. --07fan (talk) 19:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per reasons above. Earth bending master 01:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above reasons and as part of a walled garden, see the related CfD. ThuranX (talk) 16:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete only if its main article (National Liberation Movement of Ahwaz) gets deleted. — EliasAlucard (Discussion · contribs) 04:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I think this article needs to be kept, since articles such as Falg of Kurdistan and Flag of Assyria exist. It is basically just an article about a regional or whatever flag.By the way, what was the flag of Al-Ahwaz state before the 1920's? when it was an independent state?--Aziz1005 (talk) 14:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was never an independent state. It was recognized as part of Persia. And no there are 65000 flags on that flag site, and Wikipedia can not have an article on each one, specially if the flag is fake. Kurdistan flag is flying is northern Kurdistan right now and is very different. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 15:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The flag of Ahwaz appears in an article by UNPO (Unrepresented Nations & Peoples Organization) an International Organization based in Netherlands[6].Heja Helweda (talk) 16:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment.UNPO is not related to United Nations and it's an unofficial Human rights organization that membership of it is possible for every group that pays the membership fee. Then appearance of Ahwazi flag in an article by UNPO does not show its importance (compare with League of Secessionist States.)--Alborz Fallah (talk) 07:18, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I even doubt about the main article (National Liberation Movement of Ahwaz) notability.--Larno Man (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If the user likes to post fictional things he should maybe work on some sort of fictional wiki. Nokhodi (talk) 19:58, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. per nom, fictional.Farmanesh (talk) 23:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

delete . There is no flag of Ahwaz, because Ahvaz has no flag and in addition the panArabists themselves do not agree about their fictional flags. while there are undeniable separatist movements in the Iranian province of Khuzistan aiming to ethnically cleanse the province from its Persian, Luri, Bakhtiari and Qashqai Turkic residence and to deliver it as a Arab homeland to the Arabs, these articles are partisan. They fail to describe the external ties of the separatists, and the extent of support under population. In addition they do not show that all these oragnizations are different names of the same and they only refer to their own pan-Arabist propaganda websites as "sources". Waht is more disturbing is that they call the province Khuzistan as Al-Ahwaz, while Ahvaz is only the name of its capital and the region has never been called as such by any one else than the pan-Arabists.--Babakexorramdin (talk) 12:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. All countries nowaday consider themselves as Arab nations are not real Arab. They are only Arabic speakers and writers! They belong to variety of ethnic groups who forced to speak and write in Arabic language and it would be interesting to note that Umayyid and Abbasid dynasties stressed their Arabization due to political and not Islamic reasons. Khuzestan is historically part of Elam which with its capital Susa is one of the world oldest recorded civilizations, well known to be Iranian. Considering the social demography of Khuzestan province nowaday in Iran it is hard to claim it as an Arabic land. Farhoudk (talk) 06:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.