Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Driftwood stop

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The result was redirect to Line 6 Finch West. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 10:27, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Driftwood stop

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I cannot see how this individual stop on an as yet unfinished transit system is notable; the article does not seem to contain aything that cannot be incorporated into Line 6 Finch West. The same goes for Jane and Finch stop, Tobermory stop and Sentinel stop; i'd bundle these if I knew how to. TheLongTone (talk) 14:49, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

redirect to the Finch West line. It's a large infrastructure project still being built, so these "stops" aren't opened or even notable yet. Maybe in the future when the line has opened and stuff grows up around each stop, we'd be at GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 21:29, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

...I im inclined to redirect articles of this nature but was unsure whether simply redirecting to Line 6 Finch West would work, and was toying with the idea of refining the target to the route map.TheLongTone (talk) 14:52, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Transportation and Canada. Shellwood (talk) 16:17, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is not notable, and the sources included don't even discuss the station at all. The same should be done for the other articles as well. Their author was told this was the case but decided to ignore it. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:52, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not opposed to redirecting the stations as an ATD. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:57, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all While there is some platform infrastructure at these stops, frequent on-street surface stops that aren't considered full stations typically don't need their own articles. The main article can cover this unless and until more substantive stop-specific content and sources are added. Reywas92^Talk 18:31, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all per above. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 17:15, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the other 3 were moved back to draftspace (though given that we already have an article for the Jane and Finch intersection, I'm not sure why the Jane and Finch stop wouldn't redirect or merge there User:Onel5969). Interesting dilemma in regards to Toronto subway stops. The line is scheduled to open later this year, so if there would be articles for each stop, then removing them now seems peevish. Unlike a typical streetcar stop, these are permanent installations, shown on the subway map, and won't be suddenly moved down the street next week. If you look at other cities, like Tramlink run by Transport for London (such as Therapia Lane tram stop, it has an article for each stop - and is on the tube map - even though they only run single cars every 10 minutes, rather than multi-unit trains. Nfitz (talk) 15:25, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I see we created similar stop articles for Line 5 almost a decade ago, despite neither line (Driftwood is on Line 6) being currently planned to open until 2023. Why User:TheLongTone is there no issue with (for example) Birchmount stop? Nfitz (talk) 15:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't make these stops notable, it just means there are more non-notable stops that need to be dealt with. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The level of service is irrelevant - the lack of significant coverage in reliable secondary sources is what matters. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:44, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, otherstuffexists, isn't an AFD argument, but I'm not opposing here, trying to discuss. There's long history of such stops having articles - and a quarter-century after opening Therapia Lane tram stop is no better referenced (heck, it might be worse!), but I bet no one here will be AFDing that one! ~~If you want to go to policy,~~ WP:NSTATION says redirect not delete; but you voted delete, User:Trainsandotherthings. Nfitz (talk) 15:53, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The example you linked is a good example of something that should probably be merged into another article rather than retained as a standalone article. And for the record, I don't mind redirecting the stations. And NSTATION is not policy either, by the way. It is an essay, and neither a policy nor a guideline. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:56, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, it is indeed an essay; I don't play in WP:WikiProject Stations very often! I thought I'd try something novel at AFD and actually try improving the article! Nfitz (talk) 17:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Just improve the article" they say. But what if it can't be improved, because there are insufficient sources that exist to ever make a proper article? Have you considered that may be the case here? If I'm missing sources that could be used to justify this article, by all means say so and I will reconsider my vote. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:26, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If it can't be improved, it should be redirected until such time that there may be sufficient material for a single article- most likely to the line; though some stops have other more suitable redirection or merge targets, such as Jane and Finch and Emery Village. Possibly even the Driftwood stop should be redirected to Jane and Finch, given it's part of the same neighbourhood, and shares the notoriety. I improved some, but haven't had the chance to add any new referencesNfitz (talk) 05:45, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No reason other than that I was unaware of itTheLongTone (talk) 15:03, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – not notable in and of itself. At best it should redirect to its line. —Joeyconnick (talk) 20:35, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect. Transit stops are notable features of the line(s) they serve and are almost always likely search terms, but they are frequently not individually notable so they should be covered on the article about the line or system until such time as they are individually notable. Exceptions do occur, but I can't find any evidence that this is one of them. Thryduulf (talk) 10:34, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - does not meet WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:23, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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