Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brighton Rangers F.C.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. W.marsh 15:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Brighton Rangers F.C. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
This club does not seem to exist in the Brighton Hove and District Football League Premier Division. A quick check in this web page shows that the existence of this club is difficult to verify and non-existent. Moreover, it is not even a level 11 (or Step 7) club of the English football league system and thus have concerns over notability issues as well. --Siva1979Talk to me 16:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Malcolmxl5 18:42, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - also check out teams in the same league - Rottingdean Village F.C. and Ovingdean F.C. GiantSnowman 18:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Ovingdean yes definitely, nominate them. Rottingdean's first team is now in the Sussex County League Division Three, level 11 so they may be a bit more borderline but probably still would be a delete from me. - fchd 19:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- They certainly used to exist, last year they finished fourth in the Brighton & Hove League (and third and fifth in Division One in the two previous seasons), but they don't appear to be active this season. They don't make the "Level 10" grade we've previously frequently used as the bar of notability of English clubs, and with no other seeming claim to notability (I don't think this lot are the same Brighton Rangers who won the County Cup in 1882-83!), Delete. - fchd 19:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Well, we should now raise the bar of notability by creating articles on clubs in the level 11 (or step 7) of the English football league system. Thus, Rottingdean Village F.C. and Ovingdean F.C. should be kept. But Brighton Rangers F.C. should be deleted as it is not even in the Brighton Hove and District Football League Premier Division. The reason why I state that Step 7 clubs should have their own articles is because they are part of the National league system. Moreover, level 11 (or Step 7) clubs are eligible to compete in the FA Vase and FA National League System Cup competitions as well. --Siva1979Talk to me 05:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - very, very few clubs at level 11 are eligbile for the FA Vase - mainly due to the lack of lights etc. No clubs are eligble for the NLS Cup, it is merely league representative sides that compete for that trophy. Again, clubs aren't part of the National League System, league are. I'm perfectly comfortable with the split between level 10 and level 11 being a reasonable one for notable/non-notable, with of course any exceptional claims for notability from lower clubs being taken into account. And, I say this who is a great supporter of non-league football in England (and Wales), to well below level 11! Also, if notability is permament(and consensus is that it is), how can you justify your position that Ovingdean are notable as they are in the Brighton & Hove Premier this year, while Brighton Rangers are not, but they were in that division last year? - fchd 06:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Well, to be fair, I am not aware that Brighton Rangers F.C. was in the Brighton Hove and District Football League Premier Division last season. However, do you know in which division this club is in this season? --Siva1979Talk to me 08:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - very, very few clubs at level 11 are eligbile for the FA Vase - mainly due to the lack of lights etc. No clubs are eligble for the NLS Cup, it is merely league representative sides that compete for that trophy. Again, clubs aren't part of the National League System, league are. I'm perfectly comfortable with the split between level 10 and level 11 being a reasonable one for notable/non-notable, with of course any exceptional claims for notability from lower clubs being taken into account. And, I say this who is a great supporter of non-league football in England (and Wales), to well below level 11! Also, if notability is permament(and consensus is that it is), how can you justify your position that Ovingdean are notable as they are in the Brighton & Hove Premier this year, while Brighton Rangers are not, but they were in that division last year? - fchd 06:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Well, we should now raise the bar of notability by creating articles on clubs in the level 11 (or step 7) of the English football league system. Thus, Rottingdean Village F.C. and Ovingdean F.C. should be kept. But Brighton Rangers F.C. should be deleted as it is not even in the Brighton Hove and District Football League Premier Division. The reason why I state that Step 7 clubs should have their own articles is because they are part of the National league system. Moreover, level 11 (or Step 7) clubs are eligible to compete in the FA Vase and FA National League System Cup competitions as well. --Siva1979Talk to me 05:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - enough comments I think, let's get some consensus. We are establishing non-notability by our lack of knowledge of the club in question. Also, why do they not feature in the list of member clubs within the article Brighton Hove and District Football League, as claimed? Oversight or untruth? Ref (chew)(do) 20:43, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I have returned to the article and edited it into a truthful account, with the aid of this reference here. Ref (chew)(do) 21:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As per Richard's comments above, this team was certainly in the BH&DL last season but appears to have dropped out this year - maybe someone updated their article for this season before that happened....? Anyway, there's no evidence this team has ever played at a notable level, so delete ChrisTheDude 21:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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