Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brian Hull

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:22, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Hull

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Has a handful of credits, but sourcing is thin. Every source in the article is either WP:PRIMARY or about Hotel Transylvania and not Hull himself. His YouTube "career" isn't even mentioned in the body of the article, and most of the works in which he is credited are not notable in their own right. His only claim to fame is being a replacement voice actor for Adam Sandler in a franchise. Searches found no sources whatsoever, just passing mentions in articles about Hotel Transylvania. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 17:14, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 17:14, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I found this article. It is an interview with Hull, which goes in depth with his YouTube career and other facets of his life. https://www.creatorhandbook.net/rising-above-the-noise-an-interview-with-brian-hull/ Cardei012597 (talk) 20:24, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Cardei012597: Interviews are not sufficient for notability, as they are not independent third-party sources. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:35, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- Then, what would qualify to be "sufficient for notability". What do you want to see on Brian Hull specifically to fix the page and to terminate this deletion process? Any specific examples? Cardei012597 (talk) 20:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Anything that's completely independent of him and is mainly about him specifically would be sufficient. As I said, the current sources are either a.) not independent of him by merit of being interviews or content he made himself, or b.) not about him personally and are just about Hotel Transylvania. I have not been able to find any sourcing that is explicitly about him, just a bunch of random name-drops of him in relation to the Hotel Transylvania franchise. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:46, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So, is the Creator Handbook source in the realm of sufficient? Because, if that is the case, I can find many others similar to that. I found an indepth article by a popular news channel, https://wibx950.com/brian-hulls-verson-of-disneys-let-it-go-has-garnered-almost-9-million-youtube-hits/ Cardei012597 (talk) 20:52, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also found an indepth interview on ABC's Windy City Live with Hull discussing his YouTube career and HT4. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9ARgUqKQM Cardei012597 (talk) 20:56, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Cardei012597: Interviews do not count as independent, since the subject is still involved in the creation. It needs to be something completely independent. Also a YouTube video is not a reliable source anyway. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am still unsure of what kind of source you need. Wikipedia:Reliable sources did not offer any good examples of completely independent sources specific to biographies. Is this one, https://biographymask.com/brian-hull/ I am really unsure of what kind of sources are required for this situation to be resolved. I would like to wait for other editors opinions on this subject before any rash actions take place. Cardei012597 (talk) 21:07, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That appears to be a directory listing that just culls stuff from other sites. What needs to be used is something from a newspaper, journal, magazine, or a reputable website (i.e., one with credited writers and editors). Sources like People, Hollywood Reporter, Variety, Entertainment Weekly, or Deadline are usually good for pop culture. For someone whose work is in animation, sources like Animation World Network or Cartoon Brew would work too. This is an acceptable source for the movie, as it is from a reputable news website (Deadline) and is specifically about the movie. It is not an acceptable source for Brian Hull, since it dedicates less than a sentence to him specifically. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:16, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Is this ok? https://www.awn.com/animationworld/checking-creative-team-behind-hotel-transylvania-transformania Cardei012597 (talk) 22:43, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Same problem as before. It's about the movie, and doesn't even dedicate a full sentence to Brian Hull. It has to be mainly about him. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 22:45, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest we wait a couple of weeks or so for more editors to comment on this situation, before we make any decisions. It does not seem too in-depth with just us two discussing this. Cardei012597 (talk) 23:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Hotel Transylvania: Transformania may count as a significant credit, but NACTOR requires more than one. Interviews are worthless for verifiability. I could tell you I'm the ruler of the Empire of the Petal Throne and I'm Too Sexy for Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean it's true. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:53, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 06:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete we lack the multiple significant roles required to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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