Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bianca Canizio

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The result was no consensus. Modussiccandi (talk) 19:59, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bianca Canizio

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:20, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Women, Football, and Caribbean. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:20, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Found sources → [1][2]--MonFrontieres (talk) 16:11, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 19:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 19:16, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The first source fails WP:100WORDS and the second is not independent of the subject. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What makes the second source not independent? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:12, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Further, WP:100WORDS is not a policy, it is merely an essay/suggestion. Frank Anchor 16:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per MonFrontieres. Besides the sources MonFrontieres found, I found 3 among many other sources. In addition, she is a young International capped player with an ongoing career. I look at the other sports WikiProjects and they don't nearly have an article deleted per day, let alone 30. Article may need improvement, but definitely not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:51, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this is a clear pass of WP:GNG per the sources provided by User:MonFrontieres. Despite User:Sportsfan 1234's false claims above, the WLOS source is independent as it was published by WLOS, the local ABC affiliate, which is in no way affiliated with the subject player or any team she is a part of. Frank Anchor 16:12, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails GNG. The Citizen-Times isn't significant coverage. I can't read the WLOS source but that would only be one source and GNG requires multiple. The warrenwilsonowls is not independent of her as Canizio is a student of the school. Dougal18 (talk) 09:57, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Citizen-Times source is adequate to provide WP:SIGCOV, it is just a little shorter than the 100-word suggestion arbitrarily called out by an WP:ESSAY. Even so, GNG “generally expects” but does not explicitly require, at least two “good” sources. So these two supplemented by the other minor coverage already in the article are enough to satisfy GNG. Frank Anchor 13:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, one good source is resolutely not enough to pass GNG, "generally expects" is referring to how some editors consider more than two sources necessary to establish notability, not less. The Citzen-Times article is literally one extremely short paragraph in a small local newspaper that might not serve a big enough catchment area to be reliable in any case, that is not enough coverage to contribute to a GNG pass. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:10, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - a couple of additional local press articles (Cherokee Scout, available via NewsBank), added to existing sources, add up to a narrow GNG pass, in my opinion.

"Canizio named All-American again", Cherokee Scout (NC), December 17, 2014 (713 Words)

"Murphy alum Canizio earns all-American for third year", November 25, 2015 (406 Words)

"Canizio seeks pro venture", Cherokee Scout (NC), June 15, 2016 (523 Words)

Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:00, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Cherokee Scout is the local newspaper of Murphy, North Carolina, a small town of less than 2,000 people. Cherokee County itself is home to less than 30,000 people. The Scout is almost certainly not a reliable source due to how small the catchment area is. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:04, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where does WP say that small papers are unreliable? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:08, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Small newspapers usually don't have the resources to maintain a proper editorial and fact-checking system; according to LinkedIn the Scout employs only 10 people for example. They generally engage in hyperlocal routine coverage and churnalism; and they like all local news are notoriously vulnerable to publishing paid content masquerading as proper news. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:48, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:18, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The first source given above is not SIGCOV. It states only basic information and provides negligible context or commentary. WP:100WORDS is an essay and I'm not sure how widely accepted it is. The second source is better in terms of coverage, but is not independent: It includes several quotes from the subject. The rest of the sources in the article are database sources, not indicative of notability. As to local news coverage... I disfavor using such newspapers to establish notability, as Devonian Wombat notes. Ovinus (talk) 22:53, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- How is the WLOS article not independent? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - It is built around an interview with the subject. Ovinus (talk) 04:06, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - There is enough relevant non-interview content in this article that makes it clearly GNG-approved. Carson Wentz (talk) 12:50, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the sources provided by other users giving the subject enough coverage to pass GNG. The sources provided by User:BennyOnTheLoose are acceptable and can not be discounted solely because they are from a smaller publications. The WLOS source above is certainly GNG approved as well. And others are questionable but there is enough overall independent significant coverage for this article to be kept. Carson Wentz (talk) 17:03, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. The WLOS article clearly counts towards GNG (some users are saying that including quotes from an interview discount it from being SIGCOV? Show me that policy please), and I remain unconvinced that small-town papers cannot contribute to GNG, and as we have four pieces of SIGCOV from the Cherokee Scout in addition to the article from WLOS, we have enough for GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:12, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews are not secondary or independent, so do not contribute to establishing notability (per BASIC). The issues with "small town papers" has been noted above; their reliability is questionable and they commonly publish community submitted articles without any editorial oversight or acknowledgement. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is enough non-interview content in the WLOS source for it to be considered a clear pass of GNG. Carson Wentz (talk) 14:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree (see below). Also, it reads like a press release and GNG requires multiple sources. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 14:34, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in the absence of a suitable list (e.g. List of United States Virgin Islands women's international soccer players or List of United States Virgin Islands international soccer players) to redirect to as an WP:ATD – although United States Virgin Islands women's national soccer team is an option for a redirect now, I have discounted that as I do not expect her to be mentioned there indefinitely. There is entirely insufficient significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject to pass WP:GNG/WP:BASIC. Per WP:WHYN, we need such coverage in order to create a whole article without policy issues. WLOS comes closest but falls short of the requirements because there is no independent commentary or discussion of her aside from a few throwaway facts; interestingly, the (apparent) author is now director of communications at the soccer club. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per arguments above. The brief profile in local news regarding her signing is mostly quotes with very little independent commentary, none of it encyclopedic. The Citizen Times "High School Huddle" piece is nowhere near SIGCOV and utterly fails YOUNGATH. And the Warren Wilson interview is by her own college, obviously failing independence; that this is one of dozens of unquestionably inadmissible sources produced by Das osmnezz across many AfDs raises serious WP:CIR concerns. JoelleJay (talk) 02:35, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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