Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atul Srivastava

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The result was delete. I have ignored the long (and difficult to understand) post by Eon5185, who only seems to be here to get this article deleted. Randykitty (talk) 16:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Atul Srivastava

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A handful of minor roles, but doesn't come close to WP:NACTOR in my view. I'm sympathetic to the argument that it's usually harder to find written information on Indian topics than Western ones, but when it's a BLP we're talking about, caution is called for. Subject must have played minor and supporting roles in various films and TV shows, but fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Mentioned only in passing in cited media articles (which themselves are mostly second-tier sources), and I couldn't locate anything more comprehensive Delete 18:35, 5 September 2015 (UTC) David — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManishSrivastava1 (talk • contribs)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:39, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:40, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: This AfD had not been transcluded at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2015 September 5. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:42, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Dharmadhyaksha for fixing that on 7 September 2015. --Bejnar (talk) 17:40, 11 September 2015 (UTC)‎

• Delete, I saw the references but it doesn't talk about Atul Srivastava particularly. I can see you are trying hard to save this article. There are thousands of actors like him in bollywood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ManishSrivastava1 (talk • contribs) 17:15, 7 September 2015 (UTC) David 17:17, 7 September 2015 (UTC)David 17:18, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
• Note User:ManishSrivastava1 has been indef blocked on September 9 due to checkuser evidence. Kraxler (talk) 02:48, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
• Comment. AfD regulars, please be aware there is a high statistical risk of WP:BITE here. User:ManishSrivastava1, the nominator, and also the person signing (sometimes as "David"?) two of the sinebot-assisted bangvotes in favor of deletion so far, has invited User:Yobot,[1] User:CommonsDelinker,[2] and User:RscprinterBot,[3] likely unaware about WP:OTHERPARENT wiki-rules. Request that folks be nice to this beginning editor; no opinion on the article about the bollywood actor, but will note they share a surname with the nom. 75.108.94.227 (talk) 13:25, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
• No opinion offered I have been canvassed to !vote to delete this article. I choose not to offer an opinion regardless of the merits or otherwise of the article. Fiddle Faddle 16:21, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
• Keep, with acceptable references. This artists appears in a great number of notable Indian films which have their articles as well in English Wikipedia. werldwayd (talk) 12:08, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
• Delete I'd agree with werldwayd if there were any other significant coverage than just "‘Gulaab Gang’ an important milestone of career: Atul" from the Indian Express. But unfortunately, the rest are single line mentions, in lists of players (actors).He fails WP:ENT. The one award mentioned is only a nomination. He fails AWARD. werldwayd may dream of acceptable references, but they are just not present. --Bejnar (talk) 23:21, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
• Delete. Per above editors, particularly Bejnar. Searches revealed nothing which showed enough notability to meet WP:GNG nor WP:BASIC. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:27, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 00:52, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

• Delete - While this is somewhat of a borderline case, I feel like the only coverage of this fellow that we have is tangential. He's just not really that notable. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
• Delete - I'd say give or take he just passes NACTOR but he clearly fails GNG - The first source seems fine but the rest are mentions and the only thing I'm finding on Google is all mentions aswell, Don't mean to sound harsh but someone who's been acting for 13 years he should have tons of stuff on Google, Some actors are notable, Some like these aren't. –Davey2010^Talk 02:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
• Weep keep, passes NACTOR for work in multiple films and television soap operas. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
• Keep, or Delete or Weep keep: I dont know good engish and wikipedia editing style, tried writing in wikipedia style. Today I met Atul Srivastava http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Atulshree Atulshree and he Atul Srivastava told me that he is on wikipedia and I was surprised. I asked him ‘HOW’…. than he told me about Wikipedia Editors, who charges money to write article. And he used one of editor’s services to write article about him Atul Srivastava. I dont see that so called wikipedia editor name here, must be his user name is different than real name. I would be surprise to see that Atul Srivastava is on wikipedia ????…

Yobot werldwayd Timtrent RscprinterBot onel5969 MBisanz ManishSrivastava1 Kraxler GoingBatty Dharmadhyaksha Davey2010 CoffeeWithMarkets CommonsDelinker First time I am seeing this type of politically favoured message. This message does not sound good and shows some kind of ‘CONFLICT’

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Now I am writing true facts ‘Remember to assume good faith’ on article “Atul Srivastava”. What is now posted on wikipedia, looks like paid article (As most of “Mumbai Wikipedians” are famous as paid editors for struggling actors on pretext of giving them some kind of fake publicity and some kind of notability). Wikipedia editors should understand that this so called article on Atul Srivastava going to be bad reference for wikipedia in coming future as most of the time "Mumbai Wikipedians" blamed as working paid editors. These so called "Mumbai Wikipedians" editors has nexus with Mumbai based news papers journalist who help each other to create some kind of news and than links to wikipedia article to make ‘Noble’ and ‘Noticeable’. Interesting to note that this article on actor Atul Srivastava become ’Noble’ in few days. Please check the authenticity of given references on Atul Srivastava article. I have tried to compare all kind of available sources and it fails in every test including ‘NACTOR’. Please take decision after reading these two contradict articles by same news paper "IndianExpress" on Gulaab Gang: One as reference used by wikipedia editor and now one I am showing you genuine reference that Atul Srivastava is not noble

• birth_date = (1961-08-12) August 12, 1961 (Wrong: Article “Atul Srivastava” category says Category:1962 births)
• birth_place = Mumbai Capital of state of Maharashtra, India (WRONG, Reason: Bhartendu Academy of Dramatic Arts run by Uttar Pradesh Ministry of Culture, sponsored by Government of Uttar Pradesh and is only for students who born in state of Uttar Pradesh)
• years active = 1994-present (WRONG: 1986/87-PRESENT, Passed out from Bhartendu Academy of Dramatic Arts in 1986 and working since 28/29 years)
• Bogus Given References by a Wikipedia Editor:

Please note Reference No: 1. a b c d e (for all five) gives only one News Paper Indian Express source. Surprised to see for Reference (1a, 1b, 1c, 1d, 1e) there is only one reference. Lets read this bogus fake article written by a paid journalist(dated=9 March 2014):

• Bogus Article on Gulaab Gang by Indian Express: ‘Gulaab Gang’ an important milestone of career: Atul Atul Srivastava has done minor roles in films like ‘Lage Raho Munna Bhai’ and ‘Bhootnath’. After gaining appreciation for his minor roles in films like ‘Lage Raho Munna Bhai’, Munna Bhai MBBS’ and ‘Bhootnath’, actor Atul Srivastava says his character in Soumik Sen’s ‘Gulaab Gang’ is an important milestone of his career. Atul, 52, believes that his portrayal of a corrupt Block Development Officer in the movie, which released this Friday, will be appreciated by the audience. “I am getting good reviews about his work in Gulaab Gang. In the movie I get into a tiff with the Gulaab Gang leader Rajjo (Madhuri Dikshit), as I am playing a corrupt officer who charges bribe from the villagers to provide them electricity,” Atul told PTI. Talking about his working experience with Madhuri, Atul said, “Madhuri is a brilliant actor, and working with her has been a great learning experience for me.” This year Atul will deliver three more releases. In April ‘Chal Bhag’ will be released in the direction of Prakash Sainy, in which Atul plays a constable. Trained in acting from the Bharatendu Natya Academy in Lucknow, Atul will next play a protagonist in a film based on a story by Ravindranath Tagore – ‘Daak Ghar’. The film is titled – ‘Agar-magar, lekin, kintu-parantu’. Pradeep Das will direct the film. Apart from these Atul will be seen in Anurag Kashyap’s ‘Bombay Velvet’ and Johny Walker’s son’s ‘Chahe Mujhe Koi Junglee Kahe’ under Bombay Talkies productions. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/gulaab-gang-an-important-milestone-of-career-atul/#sthash.ySA2RUom.dpuf

After reading this ‘Full of lies’ article I have reached on this conclusion. References:

• 1. a: Lucknow.[1]
• Remarks: ??? Does not make any sense.
• Conflict: Just to write something. Atul Srivastava article should talk about his work.
• 1. b: 2003 - Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.[1] as the overacting fake patient[1]
• Remarks: This given fake ‘Indian Express’ article reference itself talks about that Atul Srivastava has done ‘MINOR ROLE’ in film Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.[1]
• Conflict: Wikipedia Article on Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.[1] does not have his name in the credit ‘Cast’ list. It means Atul Srivastava has not done any work which could be noticeable in this film.
• 1. c: 2006 - Lage Raho Munna Bhai[1]
• Remarks: This given fake ‘Indian Express’ article reference itself talks about that Atul Srivastava has done ‘MINOR ROLE’ in film Lage Raho Munna Bhai[1]
• Conflict: No Proof on IMDB. Wikipedia Article on Lage Raho Munna Bhai[1] does not have his name in the credit ‘Cast’ list. It means he has not done any work which could be noticeable in this film.
• 1. d: 2008 - Bhoothnath[1]
• Remarks: This given fake ‘Indian Express’ article reference itself talks about that Atul Srivastava has done ‘MINOR ROLE’ in film Bhoothnath[1]
• Conflict: No Proof on IMDB. Wikipedia Article on Bhoothnath[1] does not have his name in the credit ‘Cast’ list. It means he has not done any work which could be noticeable in this film.
• 1. e: 2014 - Gulaab Gang[1]
• Remarks: This given fake ‘Indian Express’ article reference itself talks about that this film Gulaab Gang[1] an important milestone of his career.
• Conflict: No Proof on IMDB. Wikipedia Article on Gulaab Gang[1] does not have his name in the credit ‘Cast’ list. It means he has not done any work which could be noticeable in this film. As per given ‘Indian Express’ article reference: Means Atul Srivastava has not done any thing noticeable (noble) before year 2014 - Gulaab Gang[1] film. It means he is not ’notable’.
• Contradiction (EXPOSED): Now read the same news paper Indian Express contradict article which does not talk about Atul Srivastava and his work in Gulaab Gang. If you read an article they even did not mention the name of Atul Srivastava in [Gulaab Gang]] article. Please read this article from same news paper Indian Express
• Genuine Article on Gulaab Gang by Indian Express: Indian Express: Now lets read this genuine article written by an honest journalist talk about (dated=8 March 2014):

Film review: ‘Gulab Gang’ is actually the old-style good vs evil story Madhuri Dixit’s 'Gulab Gang’ has nothing to do with Sampat Pal’s real-life ‘Gulaabi Gang’. Madhuri Dixi’s gang, on the other hand, is as make-believe as make-believe can get. ‘Gulaab Gang’ is faking it. Review: Gulaab Gang Movie review: Gulaab Gang Cast: Madhuri Dixit, Juhi Chawla, Tannishtha Chatterjee, Divya Jagdale, Priyanka Bose Director: Soumik Sen So fine , maybe Madhuri Dixit’s ‘Gulaab Gang’ has nothing to do with Sampat Pal’s real-life ‘Gulaabi Gang’, even if both wear pink saris, and fight for women’s rights in a rural North Indian outpost. The difference between the two films ( and ‘Gulaabi Gang’ did the smart thing by releasing just ahead of the Bollywood take) is stark : the first , featuring the plain-faced Sampat, is a hard-hitting documentary ; Madhuri Dixi’s gang, on the other hand, is as make-believe as make-believe can get. ‘Gulaab Gang’ is faking it. Fearless Rajjo ( Dixit) runs a sort of a `gulabi gurukul’ in a village named Madhopur, where she teaches little girls their alphabets, and grown-up girls how to wield a `lathi’. Her ‘gang’ is made up of women wearing bright pink, and the ones closest to her are a ‘boy-cut’ tomboy type ( Jagdale), a woman abandoned by her husband ( Chatterjee), and a kohl-eyed dusky female( Bose). These ladies accessorize their pink with oxidized silver, and at least one them has a very spiffy manicure, as they go about standing up for the meek and the downtrodden, and going up against villainous husbands, cops and politicians. But from its opening frame you discover that in its supposed feminist garb, ‘Gulaab Gang’ is actually the old-style good vs evil story, styled in the tired way these films have been for the longest time. Its chief baddie is, ta da, a woman. Sumitra Devi ( Chawla) is the sort of politician that men have played for ever : hungry for power, will stop at nothing, not even murder and mayhem. She rules with an iron fist and a sneer, and Chawla makes the most of her part, even if all the lip-chewing and narrowing-of-the-eyes doesn’t amount to much. Dixit doesn’t even rise above her pink sari-and-sickle, though you can see her trying her hardest with all the flying-through-the-air stunts, cleaving bad men’s clavicles, and so on. How can you take a film seriously when each bout of `lathi’-clashing is interspersed with group dances, with Rajjo-Rani doing the familiar Dixit` latkas’ and `jhatkas’? In a deeply offensive scene, Sumitra Devi makes a fellow crawl between her subordinate’s legs : I don’t know who cringed more– me, the viewer, or the two people who were in that scene, the woman who is ordered to spread her legs, and the man who is forced to crawl in between. - See more at: http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/movie-review/film-review-gulab-gang-is-actually-the-old-style-good-vs-evil-story/#sthash.vdQYUiiF.dpuf

• 2. BIG Television Awards.[2]
• Remarks: English translation of “Big Bechara Character Male (Fiction) means “Big Poor Guy Character Male (Fiction). I didn’t understand what kind of award was this ? Editor has given wrong reference: Big Television Awards started in 2011 and to be closed down because of irregularities and authenticity of nomination and nominees in that same year 2011. Please note it’s a “ARCHIVED FROM THE DEAD URL.
• Conflict: No Proof on IMDB. There is nothing written about BIG Television Awards[2] on Wikipedia Article page. BIG Television Awards: Please do see Revision history of "BIG Television Awards: Revision history" in ‘Edit’
• 2. 2009-11 - Bhagyavidhaata as Sharada Prasad (father of Bindiya, Poonam, Renu and Raja) (on Colors TV)[2]
• Remarks: As per wikipedia article Bhagyavidhaata’’ ‘Cast’, Atul Srivastava name not given in first season. I can see Atul Srivastava name in second season that also 14th from top in the list of cast.
• Conflict: If Atul Srivastava character was so important in TV Series 'Bhagyavidhaata’, Atul Srivastava should be atleast on top or close by of the given ’Cast’ list and most probably Atul Srivastava should be on both the season of Bhagyavidhaata’’. No Proof on IMDB

3. 2004 - Loknayak as Lal Bahadur Shastri[3]

• Remarks: Bogus Reference - How wikipedia editor can use and predict this source as a genuine reference? When this film is never released and censored.!! Anyways given reference of Atul Srivastava name does not have any importance in the given reference article.
• Conflict: No Proof on IMDB

4. 2015 - Bajrangi Bhaijaan as Bajrangi's father (Cameo role)[4]

• Remarks: Given reference does not talk much about Atul Srivastava and his character and work, instead it only says in one line ‘FIVE MINUTE CAMEO DONE BY Atul Srivastava’ ‘MINOR ROLE’.

5. 2013 - Tota Weds Maina as Tota's father (on (SAB TV)[5]

• Remarks: Given reference does not talk much about Atul Srivastava. Only you can see Atul Srivastava name. Article should talk about Atul Srivastava work.
• Conflict: No Proof on IMDB

6. 2015 - Service Wali Bahu as Jogeshwar Prasad, Payal's father-in-law and Dev's father (on Zee TV)[6]]]

• Remarks: Given reference does not talk much about Atul Srivastava. Only you can see Atul Srivastava name. Article should talk about Atul Srivastava work.
• Category:Bhartendu Academy of Dramatic Arts alumni - If you compare Category:Bhartendu Academy of Dramatic Arts alumni Amritlal Nagar, Rakesh Pandey, B. M. Shah, Anupam Shyam and Nawazuddin Siddiqui against Atul Srivastava’s calibre. You will see he is not ‘Noticeable’ and you will find that there is no comparison.
• External links
• Articles for deletion/Atul Srivastava at IMDb
• Filmography

Film/TV	Year	Atul Srivastava’s Film/TV on Internet Movie Database (IMDB)	Atul Srivastava’s Film/TV on Wikipedia
Kehta Hai Dil	2002-2005	No Proof on IMDB
Munna Bhai M.B.B.S.	2002-2005	No Proof on IMDB	No Proof on Wikipedia
Loknayak (film)	2004	No Proof on IMDB
Kareena Kareena	2004-2005	No Proof on IMDB
Lage Raho Munna Bhai	2006	No Proof on IMDB	No Proof on Wikipedia
Pandey Aur Pandey	2006	No Proof on IMDB
Banoo Main Teri Dulhann	2006-2009	No Proof on IMDB
Bhoothnath	2008	No Proof on IMDB	No Proof on Wikipedia
Bhagyavidhaata	2009-2011	No Proof on IMDB
Lapataganj	2009-2014	No Proof on IMDB
Tota Weds Maina	2013	No Proof on IMDB
Gulaab Gang	2014	No Proof on IMDB	No Proof on Wikipedia

• Result: ‘FAILED’ - ‘GNG’, ’NECTOR’, ’Not A Single Award’ and ’Not A SINGLE ARTICLE ABOUT HIM AND HIS WORK’ AWARDEon5185 (talk) 15:17, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 15:34, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 15:59, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:01, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:04, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:06, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:07, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:10, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:12, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:13, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:15, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:18, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:22, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:25, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:29, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:33, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 16:36, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 18:23, 20 September 2015 (UTC)Eon5185 (talk) 18:39, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

References

• Note to Admin: Nominator User:ManishSrivastava1 started this AfD page which wasn't transcluded properly. The nominator then tried to PROD the page. The nominator is now blocked as a puppet. The huge chunk of text posted above by User:Eon5185 is the first edit by the user on WP. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:10, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
• another Note that in India, every television channel hosts an "award" show to promote their own programs. The BIG Television Awards are the equivalent of a two hour advertisement for "employee of the month" and not the Emmys.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 10:49, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

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