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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Robin (character). I hope those advocating Delete are okay with an ATD but there are editors here who want to Merge some of this content into the main article so it still exists for them under the Redirect. Liz Read! Talk! 02:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative versions of Robin

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Another poorly referenced fan trivia. References are 90% comic books (primary fiction sources) and few mentions in passing in other sources. No cited source suggests this topic exists outside Wikipedia, its forks and perhaps (under a differnet name?) on some fan sites. The topic fails WP:GNG and/or WP:NLIST ("This page is a list of the alternative versions of Robin in comic books") and is nothing but a (poorly referenced) plot summary. At best, we can consider SOFTDELETE by redirecting this to Robin (character) (no objection to merging a bit of plot summary if anyone thinks it is relevant). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:56, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and trim. This is a poorly executed WP:SS child of Robin (character), which means we can either 1) merge V content from here to there, because N is not an issue, or 2) Clean up this article and leave it here. Piotrus is categorically wrong on notability: the subject of this article is the same as Robin (character), which is a notable topic. Making a separate article to fully cover a topic due to SIZE issues doesn't affect notability. For actionable changes, this article should not list Robin variants covered in the parent article, and each entry should have primary or secondary sources--again, N is not at issue--to meet V for the facts stated, and secondary sources for opinions or conclusions. Jclemens (talk) 06:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is addressed at WP:AVOIDSPLIT: "Article and list topics must be notable, or "worthy of notice". Editors are cautioned not to immediately split articles if the new article would meet neither the general notability criterion nor the specific notability criteria for their topic. In this case, editors are encouraged to work on further developing the parent article first, locating coverage that applies to both the main topic and the subtopic. Through this process, it may become evident that subtopics or groups of subtopics can demonstrate their own notability, and thus can be split off into their own article." So I think notability absolutely is relevant, whether or not this is a "child" article. Josh Milburn (talk) 06:30, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    IF as you say "the subject of this article is the same as Robin (character)" then the obvious policy is Wikipedia:Content forking. We don't need two articles on the same subject. This is just a bad subarticle - fanish plot summary of a part of the main article that has no stand-alone notability. Merge is the best we can do with such WP:FANCRUFT. And no, SUMMARY style split is not relevant here, b/c articles have to be notable. All we have here is plot summary, and that's non-encyclopedic trivia. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:08, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per my conversation with Jclemens above. Josh Milburn (talk) 06:31, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - seems like everyone above is agreed that this has significant overlap with another page - to the extent that the topics are interchangeable. No need to keep both, this title is not needed. JMWt (talk) 08:38, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - There do not appear to be any non-primary sources on the topic of alternate Robins outside of listicles. Thus this is a failure of WP:LISTN and the WP:GNG. The few versions that may actually be notable enough for a bit of coverage can be done on the main Robin article, as is already the case. And, of course, complicating things further is the fact that all of different major versions of Robin (i.e. Tim Drake, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, etc) all have individual articles, each with their own "alternate versions" section which duplicates a lot of the information here, making this a unneeded content fork of multiple articles all at once. Redirecting to Robin (character)#Other versions seems to be about the best WP:ATD possible here, and I would not be terribly opposed if other editors would rather do this than Deletion, as well. Rorshacma (talk) 15:10, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think for most of these "Alternative versions" articles, where there isn't any reliable secondary coverage of the grouping, merge is the right solution, an WP:ATD both preserving history, and moving an appropriate amount of missing information into the main article. —siroχo 01:47, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or merge as WP:ATD. This is already covered at the main article. Otherwise fails WP:LISTN and WP:GNG as an independent topic. Shooterwalker (talk) 23:35, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments - On one hand, I really would like to Keep, because having this all on a single page is MUCH more convenient for our readers and provides a nice overview of the various variants. There's a good page to be had here. However, this should be laid out much more in line with summary style. This is, I'm sad to say, a convoluted mess. That said, I think it's fixable, and therefore saveable. So for now, I support turning this into a Redirect to Robin (character), which can easily be restored should this be cleaned up. If consensus is to delete, then merge whatever is salvageable/appropriate.- jc37 23:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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