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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 03:57, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All India Kisan Mahasabha

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A before search returns with trivial mentions. It fails to qualify WP:SIGCOV in multiple reliable sources. As stated on creator's userpage, it seems user has failed to comply with our WP:COI guidelines. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:47, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Was unable to find much above mentions, never mind WP:SIRS-level coverage, so WP:NORG is unlikely to be satisfied. Perhaps it's WP:TOOSOON. As it stands, there appear to be issues with the WP:NPOV of that article: while the plight of the farmers sounds awful, this should be backed up with sufficient citations of good quality, and put in the context of rationales for things relevant to the article. WP shouldn't be the first location for presenting that story in the context of this political front. Perhaps some of this content could go under pages for related parties. Chumpih t 06:46, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And I see a few new minor links out from the article. I've added a link in to the article myself. But we're still a very long way from WP:NORG. Chumpih t 21:50, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Prior to the 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest I would have !voted redirect to the CPI-ML(L) page, but not so sure now... I will come back to this. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 06:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As i earlier said, "before search returns with trivial mentions" – the sources you provided fails to qualify significant and independent coverage. All sources are focused on 2020–2021 Indian farmers' protest. Sources presented by Goldsztajn are also focused on protests than the subject in question. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:15, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I fund zero independent sources. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:18, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Between the 15-odd sources Soman and I have posted, please indicate how are these not independent of the AIKM or CPI-ML(L)? The Hindu? The Siliguri Times? Dainik Jagran? Of course these are articles about farmers' protests, it is a highly politicised farmers' organisation (technically landless peasants, and while a quibble, quite important difference in terms of caste/class politics in India). The AIKM is a leading part of the coalition of agricultural organisations which took part in the protests; the vast majority of the articles I posted below are focussed purely on the AIKM and describe its activities, these are not trivial mentions. There's no doubt its profile grew during the protests, but these have been over for a month and the AIKM continues to receive coverage. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Hindu: Demanding tar-topped roads between Yercaud and Kovilur village, drinking water and hospital facilities, members of All India Kissan Mahasabha (AIKM) staged a demonstration near Anna Statue in Yercaud here on Wednesday.
Dainik Jagran: CPI ML and All India Kisan Mahasabha on Friday staged dharna in various blocks and raised their voice in support of their demands. On behalf of the All India Kisan Mahasabha, a dharna (protest) was held in front of the Saria sub-divisional headquarters for the five-point demands. Vijay Kumar Singh, Sonu Pandey, Sudama Ram, Amrit Sharma, Lalmani Yadav, Laxman Prasad Mandal etc. were present on the occasion.
The Siliguri Times: The All India Kisan Mahasabha launched Rail Roko Abhiyan protesting against the privatization of agricultural services. Despite continuous farmers’ movement in Delhi for the past 85 days, no solution has been provided so far. Hence, the state’s leftist workers, students, youths, and women's organizations jointly staged a movement with the All India Kisan Mahasabha. Both the organizations joined the Rail Roko Abhiyan at Rangapani near Siliguri on Thursday.
WP:IS, says Independent sources are distinguished by their lack of any direct influence with the subjects involved.
WP:SIRS says, 1. Contain significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth.
2. Be completely independent of the article subject.TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 07:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
TheBirdsShedTears, apologies, but can you be explicit, how does any of that indicate these are not independent? Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 13:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do we have any source that disscus the subject independently? Being a participant in a protest do not confer notability. Hundreds of people and orgs participated in this protest that doesn't mean that we should create Wikipedia articles for every organisation, group or individuals. An independent sources generally discuss the subject without being influenced by other topics. It also discuss the subject in 100-150 words. None of the sources talks about subject's background, history or its notable contribution to its respective field. What i have read in sources "only protests" – ".....staged protest", "Secretary of .... organised meeting" etc. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:17, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Independence is about the relationship between source and subject (eg are editorial decisions of the source controlled by the subject), not the source content and the subject. In this case, material published in the party journal Liberation would not be independent, or an article by a party official published in any journal/newspaper would not be independent. I cannot see any reason to indicate that the sources being discussed here are not independent. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 21:13, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "फसली ऋण व बिजली बिल माफ करे सरकार". Hindustan (in Hindi). 21 December 2021.
  2. ^ "धान खरीदो आंदोलन 15 जनवरी से शुरू होगा". Hindustan (in Hindi).
  3. ^ "गाजीपुर में किसान महासभा का धरना प्रदर्शन:2 दिन से चल रहा अखिल भारतीय किसान महासभा का धरना, खाद की कालाबाजारी का लगाया आरोप" (in Hindi).
  4. ^ "केंद्रीय कृषि मंत्री तोमर की टिप्पणी को किसान महासभा ने कॉर्पोरेट ताकतों की ओर से एक चुनौती बताया". Dainik Bhaskar Hindi (in Hindi). 27 December 2021.
  5. ^ "बिहार: अखिल भारतीय किसान महासभा का अनिश्चितकालीन धरना शुरू, यह है वजह..." Zee News (in Hindi). 8 January 2021.
  6. ^ "आक्राेश:कृषि विधेयक के खिलाफ निकाला गया प्रतिरोध मार्च, केंद्र सरकार के खिलाफ नारेबाजी की गई". Dainik Bhaskar. 25 September 2020.
  7. ^ शर्मा, रजनी (28 December 2020). "बिहार के किसान कल करेंगें राजभवन मार्च, इन मांगों को लेकर सौंपेंगे ज्ञापन". www.abplive.com (in Hindi).
  8. ^ "देश में पहली बार महिलाओं की संसद, किसानों ने कहा- अब मोदी के जुमले नहीं चलेंगे". The Wire - Hindi. 21 November 2017.
Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 03:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Very useful. Can a few of these be shown to pass WP:SIRS? Can we ensure the article is safe? Chumpih t 07:07, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bearing in mind the second part of SIGCOV states: "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material," all but the last one clearly meet SIGCOV. The point of these sources is they show multiyear, independent reliable sourcing coverage. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 13:59, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For organisations, WP:ORGDEPTH should apply. Granted, to me, they would possibly meet Independent and Secondary. Uncertain re. reliable, as I don't know those publications. WP:SIRS is quite tricky. Chumpih t 14:07, 10 January 2022 (UTC) 16:35[reply]
I don't think they can identify any source. Venkat TL, you edited Bulli Bai case at 09:49, 11 January 2022, another page at 09:52, 11 January 2022, and All India Kisan Mahasabha AfD at 09:57, 11 January 2022. The time between Talk:Bulli Bai case and AfD is 5 minutes. How did you read all sources and how did you locate this AfD within 5 minutes? As i can see, you just follow the majority of votes than posting your own thoughts. Your vote cannot be trusted, i think. I assume, you took 2 minutes to reach here, and 1 minute to read the article in question and 2 minutes to read all sources? TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 13:00, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In case you are not aware, I am an Indian who has been reading Indian Newspapers and magazines for years. I am aware about the coverage they receive in local newspapers. Unlike folks abroad, I dont need Google to tell me about what I have been reading for years. I dont wish to be pinged again due to concerns on WP:BLUDGEON. Venkat TL (talk) 13:06, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep This article right now is a total trainwreck whose only purpose is to promote the subject. However, it appears that some legitimate sources exist for it. Rogermx (talk) 16:50, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ─ The Aafī (talk) 09:39, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This article has improvement opportunities and needs cleanup. VincentGod11 (talk) 13:23, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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