Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aimo Vartiainen

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The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:45, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aimo Vartiainen

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Non notable olympian Avilich (talk) 21:08, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Olympics. Avilich (talk) 21:08, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:16, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep [1] Whole in-depth article about him in Finnish newspaper a few years ago. [2] Small bio on him at Finnish Alpine Ski Legends. We might have the wrong birthday, though, at least if he celebrates in the right month ([3]). There are other passing mentions, mostly Finnish; I think the level of detail of that first one should be suitable for notability requirements, though. Kingsif (talk) 03:15, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am leaning to ~~delete~~ if there is only a single source for significant coverage. The first source appears more of a public interest story. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 10:14, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Here's what I say: if we've got one very in-depth article on a successful athlete from a long time ago, and if just about all of the sources that would have covered him are not available (because he's foreign and pre-internet), we should be able to keep. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:02, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:50, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ - While offline and non-English sources would be sufficient, hypothetical ones do not count. A quick search of the Finnish National Archive's newspaper archive (incl. the papers still under copyright) only really shows a bunch of passing mentions in routine sports coverage. The Lapin Kansa story is good, but one source does not multiple (WP:NBASIC/WP:SPORTBASIC) make. The single para at ski.fi doesn't change that calculus much. If someone can locate another good source (along the lines of Lapin Kansa in depth, I'd happily change my !vote, but as it is now, I don't see this reaching notability. -Ljleppan (talk) 09:08, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I find that Vartiainen is discussed from page 202 to 235 of the 1969 Finnish book "Suomen hiihdon historia 1886-1968" (History of Finnish Skiing 1886-1968) - I can only access the index, however. If someone has a nearby Finnish library, perhaps they could advise if the coverage is sufficient? Still looking. Kingsif (talk) 19:48, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another in-depth article, here, in the tabloid Iltalehti. A passing mention here also says he was Finland's first Olympic alpine skier, FWIW. Kingsif (talk) 19:55, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a copy of Suomen hiihdon historia 1886-1968 in the stacks of the city library nearby, I'll try to take a look tomorrow but can't promise anything.

The Iltalehti article seems long enough. Good finds. I'll change my !vote to ~~neutral~~ for now and revise after getting access to that book. Ljleppan (talk) 21:50, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - There are two rather lengthy newspaper sources, and a smattering of smaller sources. I took out the Suomen hiihdon historia 1886-1968 book, and while it doesn't contain extensive prose about the subject, it adds to the pile of shorter references. It's a bit borderline, but I'm leaning keep at the moment. For the reference, here's the gist of what Suomen hiihdon historia says:

p202: Won Finnish slalom championship (youth) 1944
p208: Won Finnish slalom championship (youth) 1947
p217: top-3 in slalom at Lahti Ski Games 1949; Top-4, perhaps 1st (it's a bit unclear) at fi:Puijon hiihtokilpailut that same year.
p223: 2nd in men's slalom, 1951 (I understood this to mean the Finnish championship, but the book refuses to explicitly say these things)
p235: pictured, described as one of the two best Finns in slalom in 1950s. The other one pictured (also referred to as top-2) is Pentti Alonen.
p327 (table): 3rd in men's slalom in 1948 and 1949 in Finnish ski championship ("Suomen hiihtomestaruuskilpailut")

Perhaps someone can integrate that into the article. -Ljleppan (talk) 13:37, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ljleppan: Thanks for the summary, it will probably bulk up on the career facts. I may have time to work on the article later today and see how it looks incorporating the sources found. Kingsif (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Clearly has suitable sources, with some longer ones and shorter ones, nonetheless qualifies for an article. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 23:15, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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