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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  07:53, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Adriana Ferreyr

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This person played in a Brazilian soap opera for about 7 months. Although the program has its own article on the Portuguese Wikipedia, Ferreyr does not. Beyond that, the only thing she appears to be notable for is being Soros's girlfriend and suing him. The rest of the material in the article, to the extent it's even notable, is unsourced. All the press coverage seems to be about her and Soros. Bbb23 (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. WP:ENT states that the person has to have "had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." It's stated in the plural, and it's not even clear her role in the soap was "significant".--Bbb23 (talk) 23:38, 17 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The claim above does not accurately reflect the carreer of this actress. She was a child star. She played in innumerable national television commercials and has been famous since the age of 9 years old. See video below and refefence. She played a lead character on a major prime time soap opera in Brazil that was also played in many different countries. This was one of the most popular soap operas in of all times in Brazil and she became an instant sensation in the country. Remember Brazil has mainlly soap operas as a form of entertainment and they are considered a lot more prestigious then then the ones here in America. They are also shorter in nature.

This page does not contain a third of her work since a lot of her work was done when magazines did not have a presence online yet.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024790/George-Soros-refuses-ex-lover-Adriana-Ferreyr-1-9m-Manhattan-apartment.html

  • Comment. This user below Bbb23 has deleted all the references that I have previously included in this page.

previously. See below:

^ Marisol in 2002 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1222268// ^ http://www.businessinsider.com/adriana-ferreyr-biography-2011-8/#her-career-started-to-take-off-when-she-was-nine-when-she-starred-in-two-mcdonalds-ads-3 ^ http://www.bellenews.com/2011/08/12/world/george-soros-sued-by-brazilian-ex-girlfriend// ^ http://www.istoe.com.br/reportagens/118907_GEORGE SOROS E UM AMOR BRASILEIRO/ ^ http://www.businessinsider.com/adriana-ferreyr-biography-2011-8/#she-already-has-own-business-which-she-founded-5 ^ http://www.businessinsider.com/adriana-ferreyr-biography-2011-8/#she-also-started-her-own-charity-6 ^ http://www.businessinsider.com/adriana-ferreyr-biography-2011-8/#shes-got-beauty-brains-and-talent-1 ^ http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/george-soros-the-girlfriend-and-the-apartment/ ^ http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ex_suit_vs_billionaire_hits_home_1WkMc2LdCpnWCi5DzJ7A6J — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hap791 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 18 September 2011 (UTC) — Hap791 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  • Sources. The sources were removed for reasons and were spelled out in edit summaries. businessinsider.com is NOT a reliable source. Most of what it reports is derivative of other unreliable sources. IMDb is not a reliable source. The Brazilian source said virtually nothing. The other sources are either still in the article or something like them are still in the article - there are tons of sources about Ferreyr and Soros and the lawsuit. Indeed, that's about all there is about her period, at least in the English-speaking world. Don't know if there are any Brazilian articles about her short stint on the soap.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment - I am leaning towards delete here - I am open to investigating new reliable externals. if anyone can find any, that support more wikipedia independent notability but imy search has not provided them - the subject is a circular redirect on the Portuguese wiki. - Off2riorob (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IMDB is not a reliable source when it comes to biographies but it is a VERY RELIABLE SORCE when it comes to proving work done in the entertainment industry extremely accurate and it was included to prove her work in the Soap Opera Marisol. Business insider IS A RELIABLE SOURCE if this is not the WHAT IT IS. These were written by PROFESSIONAL JOURNALISTS THAT HAVE TO OBIDE TO THE RULES OF THEIR PROFESSION. This is a major news source that is liable for the accuracy of what they write. SHE WAS A MAIN CHARACTER ON THE SOAP: SHE PLAYED THE ANTAGONIST — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hap791 (talk • contribs) 01:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See Reference BellowHap791 (talk

http://www.businessinsider.com/adriana-ferreyr-biography-2011-8/#her-career-started-to-take-off-when-she-was-nine-when-she-starred-in-two-mcdonalds-ads-3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hap791 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion Business Insider is not a reliable source. It is a gossip site headed by Henry Blodget, who was banned from the securities industry by the Securities and Exchange Commission. He has carved out a niche for himself with a website that is tabloid journalism for big business. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) We could live without the caps and please sign your contributions. One of the businessinsider cites was for her starting her own company. It says at the bottom of the web page that the source for that information is Linkedln. Another of the bi cites was for her playing in the McDonald's commercial, and it says the bottom of that web page that the source is IMDb. Ditto for the starting of her own charity. None of this is reliably sourced.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:15, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep her article...being a major soap star in Marisol is substantial enough to keep this article up... She's a childhood star and I've found her commercial on youtube... In fact, you can find a lot of her work (including interviews and talk show appearances)on youtube.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.13.78 (talk) 01:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC) — 76.119.13.78 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  • Source. Wall Street Journal describes Ms. Ferreyr as 28 years old Brazilian soap opera star--Hap791 (talk)

http://dealbreaker.com/tag/adriana-ferreyr/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hap791 (talk • contribs) 03:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Article. Not notable. Has acted in 1 non-English language television programme at the age of 19. Has done nothing in the 9 years since.

Marisol (the remake) does not even warrant any information on IMDB. Unlike the original of 1996 its IMDB page does not have 1- storyline section 2-did you know section 3-FAQ section 4-any user reviews.

The cast is stated alphabetically. To see Ms Ferreyr you have to actually click the "see full cast" link. Usually on IMDB if a cast member is a star they head the list. The show managed to gather 16 nominations to a Brazilian Awards Show. Of the several nominations available for the female cast members,Ms Ferreyr was not selected. The show won no awards.[1]

The only news links associated with the show's IMDB page are those of the Soros / Ferreyr legal situation.

William de Berg (talk) 04:52, 18 September 2011 (UTC) — William de Berg (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

  • Keep. Notability can be inherited. It is one of the ways of being or becoming a notable person. Look at Price Williams, Princess Diana, Wendi Deng, Monica Lewinsky, Princess Catherine when she was dating Prince William, Pippa Middleton, Prince Harry, The girlfriend of Russian billionaire Alexander Abramovic Dasha Zhukova among others. However Ms Ferreyr has been notable enough without her relationship with George and prior to the law suit. This page has been up long before the law suit and there were no problems before-- she was considered notable enough by consensus. Strange that only now with the law suit this has become an issue. I wander why....????[User:hap791|hap791]] (talk) 20:56, 18 September 2011 (UTC) — Hap791 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
There's nothing "strange" about it. Information about the lawsuit was added to the article, but improperly, which was then raised on WP:BLPN. After I had cleaned up the article (not completely, actually), I decided she was not notable and nominated it. As with many BLP articles I review as a result of BLPN discussions, I'd never heard of her (or the lawsuit) before.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The statement: "This page has been up long before the law suit and there were no problems before-- she was considered notable enough by consensus." is a little bit skewed. The article was started on 16 August 2010. Here [1] another editor noticed that this was an unreferenced biography of a living person and placed the appropriate deletion tag on the article. Here [2] the tag was removed. In reviewing the intervening edits [3] it would appear that the concerns of that tag were not addressed, as it was added back here [4]. Looking at the article on 26 August 2010 when it should have been up for deletion as an unreferenced BLP here is the comparison between the tagged version and the version on 27 August [5]. It is still an unreferenced BLP. If that is consensus to keep it, then that is pretty weak consensus. As the article stands now, the only reliable sources are about the lawsuit. There seem to be no other reliable sources to show her notability. In looking at notability guidelines for entertainers (Actors/Actresses): WP:NACTOR she does not seem to meet the criteria. Yes the soap opera she acted in was notable, but that does not make her notable, see: WP:NOTINHERITED. EricSerge (talk) 19:48, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose redirect to Soros - leaning more towards delete than keep - limited WP:RS articles about her have been found/presented - imo she has other notability albeit perhaps not enough for a en wikipedia biography but imo it would be unfair to ignore that notability and redirect her name to Soros. Off2riorob (talk) 19:55, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per BLP/N discussion about Soros - there are way too many reliable sources to deny that she has notability. Were it only the Soros suit, then it would be mergeale, but she has sufficient other notability to meet Wikipedia standards. (note: some of the reliable sources are Brazilian). World's most notable actress? Nope. But that is not a requirement on Wikipedia. Cheers. Collect (talk) 22:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Amazingly enough, the ones from the past month all mention Soros. That is in the realm of the obvious. They also, however, tend to call her a "well-known actress" which, to me, shows notability as far as Brazil is concerned. And I do rely on the web translation which I do not think afects notability <g>. Collect (talk) 22:37, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Still not sure which source(s) you mean. But if you're relying on only the adjective "well-known", that's pretty thin and fails WP:GNG..--Bbb23 (talk) 22:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ^ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0312163/awards
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