Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abkhazia–Venezuela relations

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MuZemike 02:40, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Abkhazia–Venezuela relations

There is no new notable information on this article, which isn't already covered on "International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia", this article just repeats what the international recognition article says and thus this article is redundant. Also I don't think this article is notable. Venezuela simply recognising Abkhazia is not a reason to make an article regarding their diplomatic relations. If they are to conduct in diplomatic relations it could simply be added to "Foreign relations of Abkhazia" and "Foreign relations of Venezuela", but there is nothing special/ unique between the relations of Abkhazia and Venezuela. IJA (talk) 17:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Since I'm the nominator. IJA (talk) 17:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Sounds more esoteric than it is. There has already been news coverage of this. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 17:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment yes there has been news coverage and this information is already featured on "International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia", why repeat it twice? IJA (talk) 17:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know, but given that this is Hugo Chavez, that tilts the scales. I agree that ordinarily, if this was say a less controversial leader, it would not warrant an article.--JohnnyB256 (talk) 17:51, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - already covered at International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia; we don't need a new article every time someone grants recognition to Abkhazia. Also, this is mainly a stunt and we probably won't hear much about the relationship after this, as was the case with Abkhazia–Nicaragua relations. - Biruitorul ^Talk 18:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Non-notable. Based just on a brief exchange of diplomatic words which, ironically, are more related to the Russian-Venezuela relations than to the Ab-V diplomacy. The article is not expandable in the foreseeable future. The same is true for the South Ossetia–Venezuela relations. --Kober^Talk 19:13, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The claim that "this article just repeats what the international recognition article says and thus this article is redundant" is false. The international recognition article has 54 words under the Venezuela entry, meanwhile the Abkhazia–Venezuela relations article has 155 words, including sourced comments from Abkhazian and Venezuelan leaders on the relationship. There are over 300,000 results for "Venezuela recognizes Abkhazia" on Google [1] so there is a significant interest in the relations between the two countries. As one of the first nations to recognize Abkhazia, don't think that Venezuela's friendly gesture will be forgotten in Sukhum. --Tocino 22:18, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. First off, Abkhaz sentiments towards Venezuela is not a valid reason to have a Wikipedia article on the virtually non-existent relations. Second, "recognition" is indeed a notable topic and is covered where it should be. The article is about the bilateral diplomatic relations, not recognition. Again, the article's content is limited to a few statements by diplomats. Wikipedia is neither a news collection, nor a Wikisource. --Kober^Talk 04:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Yes there may be more words on this article, but as I have said there is no new notable information on this article. All this article says is that Venezuela recognised Abkhazia and that they intend to engage in diplomacy. That is basically it, there are no other notable incidents regarding foreign relations. Also google hits are not to be used to support arguments on wikipedia IJA (talk) 10:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As Tocino explains, this is a sufficiently important topic in its own right. DGG ( talk ) 03:15, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable per substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. It would probably be best merged somewhere more appropriate, but c'est la vie. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject of the article is clearly notable as shown by User:Tocino. Thus the nominator's claim that there is no new notable information on this article can't be a reason for deletion, but, quite the contrary, for improvement. Whytye (talk) 23:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Abkhazia is not a state, the article is definitely OR, as per nom. Iberieli (talk) 03:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Well, according to Venezuela, Abkhazia is a state. --Tocino 19:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The relations have already received a lot of press, and there are plenty of reliable sources. Offliner (talk) 09:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Venezuela is one of only three countries that recognizes Abkhazia so bilateral relations are quite significant. Also, there's been alot of press on this matter. 189.105.6.109 (talk) 11:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This article adds nothing to what is already in International recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, i.e. it discusses recognition. According to the text of the article, relations haven't actually been established yer, only discussions about the possibility of establishing relations. Abkhazia doesn't even have a seat on in the UN. --Martintg (talk) 05:38, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Being a non-UN member state does not prevent Abkhazia from having diplomatic relations with other countries. --Tocino 19:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You'd then expect this category not to exist at all, wouldn't you? _{Óðinn ☭☆ talk} 20:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. No point in having a stand-alone article at this point. Also, the article focuses exclusively on V's recognition of A, and this would seem to fall under WP:NOTNEWS. Finally, the sources identified thus far do not constitute "significant coverage" (as defined by WP:GNG) for the topic of A-V relations. Yilloslime ^T_C 17:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If we have dozens of articles on Kosovo's foreign relationships, why delete this? _{Óðinn ☭☆ talk} 20:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.