Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1912 German Men's Eight Rowing Team

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The result was delete. Normally, I would find an excuse to go with Kusma's suggestion of a redirect, per WP:ATD, but in this case, this seems like such an unlikely search term, it's pointless as a redirect. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:54, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1912 German Men's Eight Rowing Team

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While the individuals have inherent notability due to having competed at Olympic Games, no inherent notability exists for Olympic teams. Rowing teams can be notable, and 1972 New Zealand eight (article does not exist yet) and 1982 New Zealand eight (notable, but they didn't perform well at the 1984 Summer Olympics) are examples. I cannot see why the 1912 German eight could possibly be considered notable. Fails WP:GNG. Schwede 66 19:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I find it difficult to understand how individual team members can be considered notable for competing in the Olympics but the team that they are part of cannot. This was a team competition, and the medals were awarded for being part of the team, so surely the team is at least as notable as any of its individual members? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:35, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Soft delete WP:DEL7 with WP:IAR, as the article has no sources. Unscintillating (talk) 15:52, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's unreferenced and I didn't see any sources specifically addressing this team. The subject also fails NOLYMPICS. Each Olympian has presumed notability as does the Olympiad and the rowing event. The specific team does not have presumed notability. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:55, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and Repurpose -- The article currently consists of a list of the team members, all of whom have their own article. I am assuming that the content is accurate, but have not checked and there are no references. I suspect that the men's eight will not have been the only German rowing team competing in the 1912 Olympics, so that I would favour expanding it to German rowing team at 1912 Olympics, or something to that effect. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:27, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's easy to reference the article - that is not the problem. The standard reference website is Sports Reference. In 1912, there were four Olympic rowing events, and Germany sent five boats to compete in three of those events; there were two teams that competed in the eights event. The scope of the article that we have covers one of those teams; as such, it's not entirely accurate (it should at least mention that there was another German eights team). I very much doubt that all the 1912 rowing teams taken together would reach the notability threshold. I have just written a summary article for New Zealand rowers at the Summer Olympics (i.e. covering all Olympic appearances) and that certainly meets notability criteria. It is, however, a lot of work. It's also complicated to define the scope for a German equivalent, as the country was split after the second world war, they competed as separate nations, then had a united team for a couple of Olympic Games, then competed as separate nations again, and then the reunification happened. Schwede 66 03:12, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I should further note that the German Wikipedia has an article titled de:Deutschland-Achter, which translates as 'German eight'. It's an expression that was formed in 1959 and refers to the representative eights team of Germany, i.e. is not specific to a particular team, but at the time also did not cover East Germany (which makes sense, as in 1959, they were separate countries). That article lists this 1912 team, and that's a much more appropriate way of dealing with it. Schwede 66 18:20, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Germany at the 1912 Summer Olympics#Rowing. Is there any information about this team other than who its members were and what medal they won? If not, there is not enough to write an article. —Kusma (t·c) 11:25, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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