User talk:Tol/Archives/2021/10

Obtaining consensus

Hi again. If I try to seek consensus for the implementation of automated updates, can I follow how this discussion was done? Should I use a more formal process? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 02:33, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@LSGH: I posted on the talk page; nobody opposed for 10 days, so I implemented it. I'd recommend posting on the talk page to make sure nobody opposes it. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:34, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try to do the same within this week. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

I have already started a new discussion here. Feel free to add any helpful ideas. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 04:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

@LSGH: Alright; thank you! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 15:27, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks as well :) If there will still be no opposition after a few more days, the content of the template could already be replaced. Will it require a separate BRFA, just like other related templates? LSGH (talk) (contributions) 13:33, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@LSGH: Sounds good! It won't require a BRFA: The BRFA (TolBot 5) shifted from updating a single template (TolBot 1) to a JSON page at Template:COVID-19 data/data which provides data for many templates (via Module:COVID-19 data). Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:47, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I thought that the plan will fall through because another similar template will take its place. Either way, the older template could survive any deletion discussion. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 04:20, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@LSGH: No problem! Its mainspace usage has been replaced (by another bot-updated template), but it is still used in Portal:COVID-19, so I made it bot-updated too. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 04:23, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

For working on this request. I also like your method of showing the diffs for edit requests - it's very creative! (Although I sure wish we had a way to do that automatically... I'm working on it!) Enterprisey (talk!) 07:07, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@Enterprisey: Thank you; I appreciate it! An automatic (wikitext) diff generator would be nice — if you work on a module to implement this, I'd be glad to help! I think it should be able to do plain text (just pass text as parameters), or between two pages or revision IDs. (Or, perhaps some combination of those). Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:23, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Hm! I really like that idea. I'll propose it at WP:SCRIPTREQ. Enterprisey (talk!) 06:46, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

@Enterprisey: Thanks! I'll follow up there. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 14:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Pinesol123 on User:Pinesol123/sandbox (15:09, 28 September 2021)

Hello, I have completed an article about the artist jacob maentel. What does it take to get an article published? Thank you for the help. This is my first article. --Pinesol123 (talk) 15:09, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

@Pinesol123: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! If you would like to submit it for review, add {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:41, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you. I appreciate the help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinesol123 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

No problem! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:45, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Joshpara

hi Tol you cant insist on publishing lies in wikipedia. you should have asked the reason before insisting on keeping incorrect information in Wiki hi i have the book right in front of me and the text i deleted is nowhere in the book to be seen i can paste all the entery here for you to see : (Redacted) C from the Book :The Oxford Companion to Food by Alan Davidson, Tom Jaine

so citing a book while lying about the content should not be acceptable? or is it? ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.171.252.91 (talk) 21:21, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

It shouldn't be copied verbatim from the book; it's not a direct quote. The reference appears to validate the text, from what I can see from Google Books. Please do not remove the entire lead paragraph from an article. If you wish to improve it, please do so, but don't remove the lead. Dumplings and ravioli are highly similar; Dumpling#Italian says that "Ravioli and tortellini fit the basic definition of a dumpling". I've reverted your edit again; you not only removed the lead but added commentary to the article. Again, please feel free to improve the article — if you want to make it align more with the reference, do so! Just don't remove the entire thing. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:31, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

first of all i did add the correct version according to the noted book which you deleted!!!! second there is no mention of any thing that was mentioned in the headinbg next time inbstead of acting like the god father of mafia do some research before deleting a correction to a faulty article!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.171.252.91 (talk) 21:36, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

it would be more sane to add my correct version to the article !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.171.252.91 (talk) 21:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "correct version" you are referring to. Please note that we have a civility policy; please take some time to read it, and I would appreciate it if you could stop using excessive punctuation and refrain from saying that I'm "acting like the god father of mafia". Again, if there's something wrong with the article, you can correct it. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:40, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

i just added my correct version according to the Book if you want to fix your inferiority complex by feeling strong here its not the right way . go to psychologist hun!!! or fix your problems in real life instead of trying to look big and bold here little poor soul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.171.252.91 (talk) 21:44, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

(Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.171.252.91 (talk) 21:46, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

I am not going to involve myself further; I have started a discussion (permalink) at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:58, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Regarding the recent COVID-19 cases template changes.

Hello. I've reverted this edit of yours thinking that it was simply pulling the data from the "COVID-19 by country" template, but then I've realized the scope of these changes is somewhat bigger. And there's a problem with that: the data being pulled from these databases is two days old for Belarus, and it's been this way for a long time - I myself considered using the John Hopkins' databases as a source for my update scripts and eventually dropped this idea because of this severe data lag. So, it appears, from now on, the numbers for Belarus (and, perhaps, some other countries) will differ between the corresponding article(s) and this table, which is a strange situation, to say the least. Not sure what to do about this. -- Nicholas Velasquez (talk) 11:48, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nicholas Velasquez: Hi; thanks for letting me know! If you have a system which keeps it better updated, that's fine! It's not really feasible to get each location's data individually, and OWID/JHU work perfectly fine for most. That the numbers differ shouldn't be too much of a problem, and I can't think of a better solution. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 16:52, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

All right then. If at some point the data lag is removed, I'll bring the stuff from your edit to the article, since it's definitely a saner way of maintaining it. -- Nicholas Velasquez (talk) 11:24, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

@Nicholas Velasquez: Alright; that sounds good! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:18, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Ricey244 (17:32, 7 October 2021)

Hello,

I just had a question about creating an article. An admin removed a page I tried creating because I didn't have a source when I first published it. I added the sources afterwards and I told them I did and they still deleted the article. Can I attempt to make it again but I'll add a source when I publish it? Or will it get taken down again because I can't make an article again? --Ricey244 (talk) 17:32, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Ricey244: It looks like you're referring to Will Witt. It was tagged for deletion because it was an unsourced biography of a living person, but was speedly deleted under criterion A7 because it did not give a credible indication of notability. It looks like you've already asked about this on the deleting administrator's talk page; I'll follow up there. I don't know what the page was like (only administrators can view deleted pages), but I think the article could be restored to draftspace, where you can work on it without fear of deletion, and submit it to be published when you're ready. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Laurenocmd (20:16, 7 October 2021)

Hi, I edited a friend's page and someone reverted it back to the shitty old page bc I didn't include citations, which I was fully intending to do, just took a break. Can I get the full version I updated to add citations to it and be validated or do I have to start again from scratch. I'm not very happy at the moment. Thanks for any help. -Lauren --Laurenocmd (talk) 20:16, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

@Laurenocmd: Lauren, the version you created still exists in the page history. If you have citations to add to the version, you should do so before committing it; unsourced changes in biographies of living persons are subject to immediate reversion. You can search the page history, find the version you created, edit that version, select all of the text and copy it, then edit the current version of the page and paste your text. Then, before you save the page, add your sources. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:22, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenocmd (talk • contribs) 20:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Walkwithoutrhythmandyouwontattracttheworm (01:39, 8 October 2021)

Heya tol. Quick Q, is there any coding/technical knowledge I need to edit Wikipedia? Excuse my long name btw, I couldn't think of anything better. Thanks for everything in advance --Walkwithoutrhythmandyouwontattracttheworm (talk) 01:39, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Walkwithoutrhythmandyouwontattracttheworm: You don't need any coding knowledge to edit Wikipedia — though it can help with the technical side of things, like modules. All you need to edit articles is a basic knowledge of wikitext, and you don't even need that if you use the VisualEditor. If you make a mistake, somebody will come along and fix it later. If you have any questions, feel free to ask! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:07, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

InMoment Page: New Editor?

Hi Tol,

Just wondering if you knew which editor I might talk to about the InMoment draft now that you've been taken off of the project. I submitted the new draft about a week ago and haven't heard anything back. I'm aware that it might take a while to hear back, but also hopeful that there might be a way to reach the new editor. Any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated. As always, thank you for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:681:5000:949:34B8:263E:3F9:98E0 (talk) 20:03, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello! There isn't a single editor assigned to review a page — any reviewer can review any submission. I've cleaned up the page. Again, please add links to references of web content; this will greatly help with verifying references. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:53, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Darkdeath-2 on Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing (02:45, 9 October 2021)

Hii I'm I allowd to greate an afrikaans page on the English wikimedia. --Darkdeath-2 (talk) 02:45, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkdeath-2: Hello! You can do so to translate it into English; just make sure it's a draft (it should start with Draft:). For writing articles in Afrikaans, you should try the Afrikaans Wikipedia. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:53, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. That is very helpful . Darkdeath-2 (talk) 21:15, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Bot for uploading images to Commons?

I have been uploading these 11 images for months now. Around every 10 days. Takes around half an hour (timed it today). It is really tedious. I listen to the radio while doing it. That sometimes helps.

A bot could upload it every day. The Commons could delete old images now and then. There is no need to keep them on the Commons. The source pages have all the old maps. There is a timeline slider on each source map page that will pull up any map or graph for any date.

• Commons:File:Timeline of daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths worldwide.svg
• Commons:File:Timeline of daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths worldwide per million people.png
• Commons:File:Timeline of daily COVID-19 vaccine doses administered in the US.svg
• Commons:File:World map of total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people by country.svg
• Commons:File:World map of total confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people by country.png
• Commons:File:World map of total confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people.png
• Commons:File:World map of share of people who received at least one dose of COVID-19 vaccine by country.png
• Commons:File:World map of daily new confirmed COVID-19 deaths per million people by country.png
• Commons:File:World map of COVID-19 vaccination doses administered per 100 people by country or territory.png
• Commons:File:Cumulative confirmed COVID-19 deaths, OWID.svg

All of the above maps are OWID maps. This map is from the CDC:

• Commons:File:USA. Percent of people receiving at least one COVID-19 dose reported to the CDC by state or territory for the total population.png

There is a download link on this page:

• https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-onedose-percent-pop12

That download link could be used. Though I can't tell what the URL is. I have been editing the map before uploading it. But it is not really necessary. Especially if I don't have to do this anymore. Plus the bot could keep it updated daily. --Timeshifter (talk) 20:49, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Timeshifter: Neither OWID or the CDC makes their images easy to automatically download (OWID gives a blob, CDC gives a data URI). I'll look into it. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:53, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Darkdeath-2 on User talk:Tol (21:51, 9 October 2021)

Hii TOL. want to ask some questions .

1. Am I alowed to create a page based on a 'wereldspektrum' book ?
2. Can I take pictures op the photos in the book and post it on my page ?
3. what license wil I need if the above is alowed ?

THANK YOU . Darkdeath-2 (talk) 21:51, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkdeath-2: I'm not sure how the book is licensed, and it's complicated either way — the quick answer is probably not. I don't think that it's public domain or compatibly licensed. If so:

• You can use it as a reference, just don't copy words verbatim into Wikipedia.
• You can't upload images from it or copy anything from it.

If it's out of copyright or compatibly licensed, you can copy from it as long as you provide attribution. It's probably not, though. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 22:09, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Gústi B

Hello Tol. I was wondering what you think is missing to the page "Gústi B". The subject already has over 14 articles from the most popular, and respected news medias in Iceland and the article is well written and accurate. Could you help me fix the article so it can stand? Best regads, Gudjonari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gudjonari (talk • contribs) 00:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Gudjonari: I've restored the previous declines; please do not remove them. You need to demonstrate that he has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. I'll work on the draft, as I think the topic is notable. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 01:35, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Tol. Thank you for that. I would love it if we could make the article look good. Thank you so much for helping. I was having some troubles with reference number 9 as the message said "soft hyphen character in |title= at position 42 (help)" but hopefully you can also help me with that. I am really not experienced in Wikipedia. Gudjonari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gudjonari (talk • contribs) 00:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Gudjonari: I've cleaned up the draft and am accepting it now. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:33, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Your reversion at WP:RM/TR

You are incorrect that your request requires an administrator. Page movers can do a WP:ROUNDROBIN move using suppress redirect to accomplish the swapping of those pages and some have a page swap script that automates the whole process. If you self revert your last edit I'll move it for you myself.--John Cline (talk) 03:29, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@John Cline: Huh, I never thought of doing it that way. I can do it myself, in that case. Thanks for letting me know. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 03:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Shuri (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

are you going to finish the move. still marked up with draft time content. —¿philoserf? (talk) 08:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Philoserf: Sorry about that; I see you've taken care of it. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:16, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Page move process

Hi there, I notice you usually use User:Tol/sandbox/temp to perform round-robin moves when publishing draft articles. I don't have page mover rights, but I know that many page movers use the WP:PAGESWAP script to semi-automate this process, so you might want to check that out (if you want to). InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:13, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Thanks for the link! I don't think this would work well for me, as I usually do round-robin moves when publishing drafts. The AfC helper script automatically does a lot (moves to mainspace, adds to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/recent, and notifies the author), and it seems impossible to automate both the AfC work and the round-robin move. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:17, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

I see, I guess it's just up to you to decide whether you want to automate the round-robin move or AfC process. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:20, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: Yes. It would be useful for non-AfC round-robin swaps, but I haven't done any of those. Thanks, though! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thanks for your help with AfC! S0091 (talk) 22:01, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@S0091: Thanks; I appreciate it! The backlog has resurged after the drive, and I'm trying to make some sort of dent in it. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 22:12, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Olaoluwa456 on Wikipedia:Contents/Religion and belief systems (23:34, 10 October 2021)

What are the social evil in time of Amos, Amos 4:1-2,5:7-13 --Olaoluwa456 (talk) 23:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

@Olaoluwa456: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Are you referring to Amos (prophet)? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 15:57, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Paul Grima Mr. Cool Wikipedia Page

Dear Tol,

Thank you for helping me to write this page, I have been constantly updating the page for the last couple of days. Today I have made some more changes in line with what you recommended. The page is about a Maltese strongman who is quite well known here in Malta and who has been performing here for the last 30 years. He is a performing strongman similar to a circus strongman who performs feats fo strength shows which are always dedicated to charitable causes. I was looking at the page of Joe Greenstein (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Greenstein) who was also a performing strongman to get some ideas for Mr. Cool's page. What else would you advise me to add or remove for it to get accepted?

Best Regards,

Antfarmalta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antfarmalta (talk • contribs) 13:46, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Antfarmalta: Right now, I think the main problem with this draft (Draft:Mr. Cool (Paul Grima)) is its tone. Things like "all over the Maltese islands", "unconventional to say the least", and "and even ears" need to be reworded to be more neutral. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 16:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I have made some extensive edits to the article today as advised. I will resubmit it shortly. Best regards, Antfarmalta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antfarmalta (talk • contribs) 16:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Sayyid Raphael Dakik

For your openness to help me in creating Draft:Sayyid Raphael Dakik

Dear Tol, thank you very much for your tipps and suggestions how to improve the Draft:Sayyid Raphael Dakik. I have made some improvements and am looking forward to your review and hope that it is fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zwölfermensch1 (talk • contribs) 09:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Help?

Hello, as I stumble my way through Wikipedia... I could use come help with this article instead of just denying it arbitrarily...

Mayya Poprotskaya

She is a noteworthy person as her modeling images are the first person to EVER be banned by the New Zealand Government as Child pornography, specifically citing her images.

https://archive.org/details/office-of-film-and-literature-classification_800392/page/n1/mode/2up

Extended content
Section 29(1) - Courts Addeddate 2019-07-05 06:43:12 Highest-restriction banned Identifier office-of-film-and-literature-classification_800392 Identifier-ark ark:/13960/t19m23960 Medium Image File Ocr ABBYY FineReader 11.0 (Extended OCR) Ppi 300 Publication-number 800392 Scanner Internet Archive Python library 1.8.5 Submission-channel Section 29(1) - Courts

So please help me make the article, she is certainly news worthy.

Thanks CeallaighM (talk) 20:51, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello @CeallaighM. The draft did not demonstrate notability. My apologies, but I am not comfortable editing in this topic area beyond content review and basic cleanup. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:57, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Seriously, the first person ever to be banned by a country via a hash in image coding is not newsworthy or notable... Okay, keep your wikipedia Karen... She may not be Notable to you, but to everyone in New Zealand, it made the news... — Preceding unsigned comment added by CeallaighM (talk • contribs) 21:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@CeallaighM: Wikipedia is not a newspaper, and please remember to stay civil. The decision to ban certain images could be added at Office of Film and Literature Classification. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:18, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

You may feel uncomfortable with a subject on Wikipedia, that is your right, however... As she is the first person (possibly in the world) but definitely for the country of New Zealand, to have her images specifically labeled as Child Pornography and BANNED via isp hash technology, she meets the definition and criteria for "Subject-specific notability guidelines". This is the first person I have been able to find, where an ISP of a country takes hash encoding via https://archive.org/details/office-of-film-and-literature-classification_800392/page/n1/mode/2up Facial, video, voice recognition and BAN anyone from the country of New Zealand from seeing these images. It may not be the best subject in the world, it may involve things that make your skin crawl, but it is certainly news worthy and notable and that's what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not about feelings, it is about the world. I would urge you to reconsider, because you let your personal feelings cloud your judgement... CeallaighM (talk) 21:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@CeallaighM: My comment that "I am not comfortable editing in this topic area beyond content review and basic cleanup" was in response to your request to "help [you] make the article", not in reference to my decline. The draft has again been declined by a different reviewer. Please read the text in the grex box in the red box at the top of the draft for why it was declined, and read Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria to see how to demonstrate notability. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:42, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I could add them all I want to the Office of Film and Literature Classification, the problem is, I would have another user like YOU that "doesn't feel comfortable" and decide since their is no wikipedia page for her, she isn't notable and therefore the Ban isn't notable. Just because a particular subject doesn't make YOU feel comfortable, doesn't mean it isn't notable. This is exactly what Jimbo started Wikipedia for...CeallaighM (talk) 21:42, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@CeallaighM: Again, I was referring to not being comfortable helping you with the draft. It is not relevant to notability and plays no part in my assessment of the draft. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

(Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CeallaighM (talk • contribs) 22:03, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Category for automated tables

I suggest putting a category, or hidden category, on the table templates that update automatically. I, and others, would like to check them all out. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:46, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@Timeshifter: Template:COVID-19 data/doc#Tables has a list of them. A category would also work, but I'm not sure if it's needed. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 23:47, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

I can do it. How about:

Category:Automated tables?

People may want to know if there are more tables than those listed in the doc. Eventually, there probably will be more tables.

--Timeshifter (talk) 23:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@Timeshifter: Is this for any automatically-updated table or only for COVID-19 tables? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 23:53, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

For any automated table. Though a subcategory could be created for Covid tables. --Timeshifter (talk) 23:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Alright,  Doing. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 23:59, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

@Timeshifter:  Done, see Category:Automatically updated table templates. I've also created another category, Category:Automatically updated COVID-19 pandemic templates, and a subcategory of both, Category:Automatically updated COVID-19 pandemic table templates. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 00:09, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! --Timeshifter (talk) 00:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@Timeshifter: You're welcome! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 01:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from MASSMASTANSHAIK (08:52, 13 October 2021)

hai iam new here in wiki ,,,please help me to put information about my new song okkasari kanapadava rajanna which is i made in kuwait in my language telugu --MASSMASTANSHAIK (talk) 08:52, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

@MASSMASTANSHAIK: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. It is strongly recommended to not write about yourself or any other topic where you may have a conflict of interest. Please read the conflict of interest guideline. You should also be aware of our notability guideline. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 14:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Darkdeath-2 on User:Darkdeath-2 (08:25, 14 October 2021)

Hello Tol At the Phabricator page there are a list of Wikipedia Skins. So juts want to know am I alowd to use those ? --흋ㅎ훛Dark흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2 08:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkdeath-2: I'm not sure which Phabricator page you're referring to. You can change your skin here in your preferences. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you TOL 흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 22:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkdeath-2: You're welcome! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 23:50, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

How can I see OWID or JHU source data?

I am a newb at much of LibreOffice Calc. I have figured out a few things.

But I haven't figured out a way to view any of the source data at Github for OWID or JHU:

• https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-source-data
  • https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data
    • https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data/jhu

When I open any of the csv or xlsx files I don't see any data columns. I see what looks like HTML. --Timeshifter (talk) 22:19, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Timeshifter: That's weird. I'd stick with the CSV files; XLSX is Excel format and is probably unnecessarily large. Can you copy/paste a small amount of what you see? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 23:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Here is what I see starting from the top of this csv file

• total_deaths_per_million.csv - from:

https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data/tree/master/public/data/jhu

Small amount of the code at the top

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You can see for yourself by installing LibreOffice, and then opening the file with Calc. It is fairly quick to download and install that office suite.

I get this message before it opens the file: "The data could not be loaded completely because the maximum number of columns per sheet was exceeded." --Timeshifter (talk) 00:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Timeshifter: I think you might be downloading the GitHub HTML page. After you open the file in GitHub (say total_deaths_per_million.csv), click on "raw" and download the plain-text page it opens. Then try that with Excel. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:42, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. If I click on the csv file link it opens into a Github page with a scrolling window consisting of plain text csv. I can click on "raw" and open it in another tab consisting of nothing but the plain text csv page:

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/owid/covid-19-data/master/public/data/jhu/total_deaths_per_million.csv

I can also right click the "raw" link and then "save link as" to finally download a genuine csv file.

That opens up fine in LibreOffice Calc as a typical spreadsheet.

--Timeshifter (talk) 20:04, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:57, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Marklucasapelin on Mozambique (05:20, 15 October 2021)

How to protect a page in Wikipedia? --Marklucasapelin (talk) 05:20, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Marklucasapelin: Only administrators can protect pages. You can request page protection in accordance with the protection policy at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

help

@Tol hello where can I post a invalid code of my system so that someone can help me

I dont know what to do there

흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 19:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkdeath-2: I'm not sure what you're having trouble with. What is this "invalid code" you are referring to? Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:12, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tol

Javascript error uncougt RefrenceError obtenir not defined 흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 17:08, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkdeath-2: It looks like this is due to User:Darkdeath-2/common.js, your common JavaScript file. Remove the line obtenir("LiveRC") and you should be fine! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:39, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

@Tol thank you issue resolved. 흋ㅎ흋User:Darkdeath-2흋ㅎ흋 18:56, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

@Darkdeath-2: You're welcome! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:58, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Articles for Creation

I have 4 articles which have not been accepted. Would you mind doing so, or looking at what should improve?

Draft:Chlaenius aestivus

Draft:Entypus fulvicornis

Draft:Auplopus architectus

and, finally, Draft:Dipogon sayi

Sorry for the large number of articles, I created these all at the same time. Cerambycidfreak (talk) 22:14, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

@Cerambycidfreak: Sure, I can review these articles. Please give me a few hours. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 23:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

 Done Tol (talk | contribs) @ 04:55, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I noticed on the "acceptance" notices that I can apparently create articles myself, seeing as I've made more than ten edits in four days. Does this mean that if I create an article, I don't need to submit it for review? Cerambycidfreak (talk) 13:26, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

@Cerambycidfreak: You're welcome! You can create articles yourself now — this means that you can either create an article in mainspace (without "Draft:" before it), or you can create an article in draftspace (with "Draft:" before it) and later move it to mainspace (removing the "Draft:"). Mainspace articles are judged on quality, so if you want to work on an article for a while, I'd recommend creating it in draftspace and later moving it to mainspace. If you are confident that your article will meet Wikipedia's content policies within a few minutes of publishing it, it's fine to just start it in mainspace. For more help, there's Help:Your first article. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 14:54, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Spamicus (19:45, 17 October 2021)

HI i am new to this and feel it's important to get accurate history and information out there to the world. --Spamicus (talk) 19:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Hello Spamicus, and welcome to Wikipedia! For a general introduction to Wikipedia, you can look at Help:Introduction. Please, let me know if have any questions! Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Capital on Tap

Hi,

I'm trying to edit the page Capital on Tap to be good enough to be approved. I have found a range of news articles and sources, including Evening Standard and Georgia Department of Economic Development. I don't understand what else I need to do to get the page published? It also keeps saying I should declare a conflict of interest - which I already have done! I'm just trying to get this published, I'm not trying to make it like an advert.

HollyWoodward97 (talk) 16:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@HollyWoodward97: Please don't add banners to my talk page. Please do read and follow the banner at the top: "Put new text under old text", so please create new sections at the bottom of the talk page. References to Capital on Tap's website are not independent sources, and many of the other sources do not show significant coverage. The tone of the draft is not neutral: the draft seems to be mostly focused on what they can do for customers, not a neutral encyclopedia article. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 16:39, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't mean to do that! I don't understand how those sources aren't independent? They are not self-published and they are independent of the company - literally newspaper articles. The sources write directly about the subject so again how does this now show significant coverage? I have changed the tone by accepting the removal of the product info. The company's mission is to help customers which is why that is relevant info in the text. Please help me understand what else I can do? HollyWoodward97 (talk) 16:45, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

@HollyWoodward97: The citations to newspapers are independent and reliable. You should have more of them, and should probably replace all citations to Capital on Tap's website (see Wikipedia:No original research#Primary, secondary and tertiary sources). "The company's mission" is not relevant information: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a means of promotion. I've removed more information on their products. To get the draft accepted, please write about the company neutrally and objectively, and make sure to demonstrate significant coverage in reliable sources (the easiest way to do this is to cite the most well-known and reliable sources you can find). Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:18, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Request on 09:37:24, 19 October 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Jcaer

• Jcaer (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:List of artworks by Arne Quinze (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Can you tell me which aspect of the article Draft:List of artworks by Arne Quinze you found to be not adequately supported by reliable sources? I've made numerous changes already, so it would be helpful to point out what exactly should be omitted or adapted.

Jcaer (talk) 09:37, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jcaer: There have been multiple comments on verifiability. Every entry should have a citation to a reliable source confirming that it is an artwork by Arne Quinze. For example, "Ludmilla" needs a citation, "Saxifragales" needs a citation (preferably one that also states it is a part of "My Secret Garden"), "Stilthouses" needs a citation, and more. In addition, the citation should be repeated in the "description" column if it also supports statements in the description. While this is less important, please also clean up the reference tags. They should be placed after punctuation per the manual of style. In addition, the lead needs to be improved. "The forms are said to be mere coincidence according to Quinze's team" needs a citation. Sentences need periods. "People are completely absorbed by the orange initiating astonished reactions" should probably be removed, as it's not particularly neutral. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Question from Trevorlpinnock (13:47, 19 October 2021)

Hi, I am a pop/r&b/Reggae artist and I would like to create a profile( a short biography) of myself in the forum.

How can I do so? --Trevorlpinnock (talk) 13:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

@Trevorlpinnock: Hello; welcome to Wikipedia! Wikipedia strongly discourages people from writing about themselves or about other topics where they have a conflict of interest. Please read the conflict of interest guideline. If you insist on writing about yourself, and can follow policies like neutral point of view, you can use the article wizard to create and submit a draft. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 17:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Harambe Statue (Wall Street, New York)

Dear Tol, thank you for looking over my Draft. I hope this time, whenever you have a convenient moment, you will find it acceptable for public publishing.

Best wishes, The Monkler — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Monkler (talk • contribs) 19:21, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@The Monkler: I have reviewed it and declined it as not being written from a neutral, encyclopedic point of view. Please improve this before submitting again. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 19:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Guidance Barnstar

		The Guidance Barnstar
		Thank you for your help and guidance in article creation! - Dynamiccookies (talk | contribs) 15:57, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Dynamiccookies! I noticed that you put a barnstar on my user page; I've copied it here. Usually, you put them on one's user talk page, so that I can reply. Generally, you shouldn't edit others' user pages. (There's no need to revert, though — your edit was fine!) Tol (talk | contribs) @ 16:34, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

bot

hi thanks please test your bot and see users feedback gbif is reliable site i think quality of articles with bot and with users is the same please test your bot thanks again Amirh123 (talk) 17:44, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Amirh123: I'm occasionally testing it (one example article is Phormidium aerugineo-caeruleum). I agree that GBIF is a reliable source. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 23:55, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

true i think that's goal of abstract wikipedia is same Amirh123 (talk) 05:57, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Amirh123: Yes, though that's a bit more wide-ranging (and hopefully more thorough). Tol (talk | contribs) @ 18:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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Draft:Timeline of Alfred Milner

Please reconsider the "Timeline of Alfred Milner". I think you were overly critical in certain respects: He was a very important figure in England from 1898 to 1918, in 1918 he won World War I by uniting the Western Front at Doullens Town Hall France, on March 26, 1918. This event should be world known, but the meeting was secret at the time, and the pace of events overshadowed the meeting as Ferdinand Foch turned the war around and caused the November 11th armistice. Also, my biography of 51 sources includes 4 biographies of Alfred, cited often, as well as multiple French and English sources. In addition, this is a complete and accurate timeline, devoid of favoritism (I gave an introduction to two important chapters, but all timeline information is transferred verbatim, and footnoted (often multiple footnoted). Last, I think the ideal place for this wikipedia article will be as a complement to "Alfred Milner, 1st Viscount Milner", meaning having the page stand alone with a link to it at the top of Alfred's biography page. Viewers can read about his life, and then go into details on the Timeline page. Alfred was very important to imperialist England, standing shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Prime Minister's Salisbury, Alfred Balfour and Bonar Law, and statesmen George Curzon, Joseph Chamberlain and a youthful Winston Churchill. Please view the important pictures of the stained glass window at Doullens, the War Cabinet of 1917 (his idea), and the signing of the Treaty of Versailles. Thank you for your help. This has been a long, difficult project.

Lord Milner (talk) 04:43, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: Hello! I declined Draft:Timeline of Alfred Milner because I didn't think it was notable enough to have its own article, and goes into excessive detail. It also worries me that you say "all timeline information is transferred verbatim", because this sounds like it violates copyright. Finally, the format (a numbered list) is troubling, as any change would require it to be renumbered, and it could be better reworded as prose. (Also, some points are formatted as code blocks.) I would strongly advise adding relevant information to Alfred Milner, 1st Viscount Milner. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 21:38, 29 October 2021 (UTC)