User talk:Roozbeh/Archive04

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PERSIAN Gulf War

Dear Roozbeh, Wikipedia uses "The Gulf War". There are many gulfs on this planet. It's Persian Gulf. Perhaps you can convince them that using THE GULF is not neutral. WIKIPEDIA should be independent like the past.

Thanks Pejman

Persia, Iran and Islamic Republic of Iran ?!

Dear Roozbeh, I don't see why you deleted my revision Shirin Ebadi. The name of this country is "Islamic Republic of Iran" officially as it was "Iran" at the time of Shah and both "Iran" and "Persia" at the time of his father. To many in the world, these two worlds (Persia and Iran) are equivalent. However as people use the latter less and less, many are getting the impression that the word "Persia" refers to ancient "Iran" which is clearly wrong. Anyway, what is the problem to put the word "Persia" in parenthesis next to "Iran" once in a while ? Neither of these words are currently official name of this country! take care 141.5.11.5 Jermi

I didn't delete your revision from Shirin Ebadi. I only removed "Persia" as the main name of her homeland. The common name of the country in the English language is no longer "Persia". It is "Iran". The official name doesn't matter, the common name does.

If you think people should be aware of the issues of the usages of the terms "Iran" and "Persia", please mention those in the articles Persia and Iran, not in every single article that uses these terms. When someone comes and wants to find about Shirin Ebadi, he doesn't want to be reminded that Persia and Iran are the same country. He probably only wants to find about her. roozbeh 11:19, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales

I dont know what youve been telling Jimbo, but the declaration of Iranian works being officially copyrighted on Wikipedia is wanting and insufficient, because even the premise made by Jimbo Wales does not hold. He says:

"...Unless there is something particularly strange about the copyright situation in Iran..."

Well. The copyright situation in Iran is anything but normal. There are very few countries in the world which openly violate international copyright laws, as does Iran.

Iran is not a member of any of the following International Copyright treaties:

• BAC: Buenos Aires Convention
• Berne Convention
• Convention for the Protection of Producers of Phonograms Against Unauthorized Duplication of Phonograms.
• UCC Paris: Universal Copyright Convention,
• UCC Geneva: ditto
• WCT: World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty
• WPPT: World Intellectual Property Organization
• WTO

As is stated here.

You wouldnt be able to sit down for hours and erase all my contributions, would it not be because of the illegal Microsoft Windows copy you are using, as do the entire population and government of Iran.

Im asking you again to please put your **** against me aside, and help me promote much needed Iranian related pages to enrich Wikipedia, instead of throwing monkey wrenches at me and erasing everything. ****? Geez.--Zereshk 01:27, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

• Please note that Jimbo already knows about the situation of copyright in Iran. I have mentioned that in my original email [1], quoting yourself.
• I am not planning to erase all your contributions. I am helping to remove non-free copyrighted material from the Wikipedia. Please take a look at my recent edits and you will see that the same is happening to other people's possible copyright violations.
• I don't use an illegal copy of Microsoft Windows. I have a licensed copy which I was forced to buy with my laptop, but I usually use GNU/Linux.
• I don't have anything against you. But it seems that you have something against me. Please stop using Persian curse words (or mistranslating them to English) in the English Wikipedia. I removed them.
• Also, let me ask you again to respect the copyright laws. Both for Iran (as required by Jimbo Wales) and other countries. Many of your uploads have not been legal under laws of the other countries either. For example, how are [2], [3], and [4] public domain?! roozbeh 01:40, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

As for all images you marked for deletion from Tennessee, Arkansas, and Texas, many of those images are public domain. But I am not going to go and push and argue for that. Instead, I am replacing them with more recent versions that you will not be able to mark or touch under any justification. Furthermore, if you bought your laptop in Iran, there is no way in hell your MS Windows copy is legal. Nor any other western software product for that matter. I had to pay 400$ to get a Photoshop with a student discount. Did you pay that much, or did you pay 2500 Toman at Pasazh Paytakht? Did you pay 2500$ for your AutoCad? Did you pay 300$ for your Mathematica? Or your McAfee or Norton? I think you know what I mean.

You cant try to impose and force copyright status on something when it doesnt exist. And besides, what is your intention of erasing everything anyway? How on earth do you consider doing such a thing "constructive"? As it is, here in the US, we hardly have any good information about Iran in bookstores and on the web. What little we try to add to the web, you are erasing. Dont be surprised if Americans think of Iran as a desert land full of terrorists riding camels selling oil. You are preventing us from trying to counter that widespread stereotype image, i.e. youre actually feeding the stereotype. I hope you understand the repercussions of your actions.--Zereshk 14:06, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, btw, Wikipedia is not Iran. In the free world outside Iran, people are prohibited by law from censoring what others have to say. Here, it is a right guaranteed by the First Amendment of the US Constitution, whether you like what I say or not. Please stop editing out parts of my text that you keep finding offensive. And yes, you have a problem with me, not the other way around. You dont see me coming around following you trying to pick fights and initiate revert wars acting like I own the place. Even though I can well see what condescending tumult youve aroused in the Farsi Wikipedia.--Zereshk 20:47, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

BTW, Iran is a party to WIPO, which obligates them under the Berne Convention. See [5]. --Gmaxwell 08:16, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

And Zereshk, the first amendment is a limitation of the power executed by government in the US, because Wikipedia is not a government service the first amendment is entirely inapplicable. --Gmaxwell 08:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Verified images

How did you come up with un-verifing the images ? They have all the needed copyright tags and permissions for their references. Amir85 7:30, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

The source of all of article is iranchamber which before uploading pictures I contacted them and asked their permission.Their conditins were to name their site at the end of article which i had done it in 'See Also' section of the article,And not to use them commercially. Amir85 8:00, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

If you have permission for the photos from Iran Chamber, please mention so in the WP:PUI page when the images are mentioned. Please provide as much information as you could, like the exact text of the permission they gave you, the name of the contact person in Iran Chamber, etc. We will need to contact the organization to confirm the permission. Also, for all images you have uploaded, we need exact URLs of where they are downloaded from, so people could check that they are actually from the website.

But you have also uploaded a lot of images with no source. Please mention the source for them, and if you know the exact licensing. Thanks a lot. roozbeh 13:08, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

The required sources and documents for some of the photoes (which can be extended to other photoes are provided on WP:PUI take a look and kindly proceed to remove the templates or I have to strat acting by myself.Amir85 17:01, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. I am confirming all your sources and changing the tags as appropriate. Thanks again, roozbeh 19:32, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

I have now went through all the images you have mentioned and tried to resolve the issues. Please refer to your talk page for more information. Thanks, roozbeh 21:50, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Hey , Copyright!!!

Hi, I think u primarily search for photoes posted by iranians :)

There is NO COPYRIGHT IN IRAN , but my photos have no problem about copyright. I took some of them myself, and others are from sites with no copyright problems, public and free sites ,I mean.

How can I prove this and get rid of the note ?!!!!

And another Q,...Do u really search all images yourself??? and then you leave a note in the page and ba'bye!!???

any way, I'll be happy if u can explain more about the process of copyright controls in this site. --Dr.Hamed 19:57, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi.

• No, I don't primarily search for photos posted by Iranians. I usually read and work on pages about Iran, so I see images on those pages more than the others. I then follow the images to see if they don't have any copyright problem. Then, when I see someone who has problematic images, I then follow his edits and uploads.
• You have mentioned that "There is NO COPYRIGHT IN IRAN". That is not true. There are three copyright laws in Iran, passed respectively in 1970, 1973, and 2000. The first one is about almost every kind of creative work, the second is about translating and copying books, magazines, and audio material, and the third one is about computer software.
• To complete the information required by the Wikipedia, you must mention the source and the license of each image you have uploaded: :**If you have taken a photograph yourself, you should mention that with something like "This photograph was taken by your name on the date you took the photo from the object you photographed". Provide a date for when you took it and the geographical location and whatever information you could provide, if possible.
  • If you have downloaded the images from a website, you should provide URLs to the webites and the exact place (URL) where the image you have uploaded could be found. If you know about the license of the image, you should also mention that.
• After that, somebody will then check your source and license, will put the necessary information on the image pages, and then remove the "possibly unfree" tags.
• As for who searches for possibly unfree images, there are also other Wikpedians who do the same. I also volunteer to this sometimes.
• About the process of copyrights on Wikipedia, you can read the appropriate pages. A good page to start is Wikipedia:Copyrights#Contributors' rights and obligations. Other good pages are Wikipedia:Copyright FAQ and Wikipedia:Image use policy. roozbeh 22:28, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

what is your justification ?

You deleted again my post:

 Text copied from the article removed.

I am looking forward to your justification. 141.5.11.5 Jermi

I'm sorry, it seems that I made a mistake and assumed you have repasted the original non-neutral edit again. I just restored your edit, and edited it to make sure it is NPOV. roozbeh 22:39, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for working on WP:PUI

I just noticed you working on PUI, and as one of the other people doing maintance on that page, I just wanted to thank you. You might be interested in my essay User:JesseW/List_of_Image_doc_pages, on the unsourced image problem. In any case, thanks for doing that. JesseW, the juggling janitor 23:11, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Byzantine eagle.JPG

Why did you revert my edits in Image:Byzantine eagle.JPG and removed my tags? Colossus 00:40, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Because the page is listed on the WP:PUI page and has no source mentioned. Please see the WP:PUI page, search for the image name, and provide your source there. roozbeh 00:42, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

I dont understand. I took the picture myself. I stated this in the image page. Colossus 00:47, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

No, you have not mentioned that in the image page. In case you have taken the picture yourself, please mention that in the image page explicitly. Also, please mention the date and place you have taken the photo. But DO NOT REMOVE the {{PUIdisputed}} tag yet. roozbeh 00:58, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Now is it ok? Colossus 01:28, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, all is fine except the possible copyright tag. Are you releasing this image as GFDL? If yes, you can now put a {{GFDL-self}} tag on the page. I will remove the {{PUIdisputed}} tag. roozbeh

Image:Eddie the Head.jpg

I'm not clear on how the Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images page is supposed to work, but I notice that the Eddie the Head image page is flagged possibly unfree and yet does not appear on the possibly unfree page. Something happened in this edit [6] --kop 06:10, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I restored the mistakenly removed discussion. roozbeh 22:37, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Sources

Image:Parthia map 1.jpg , Image:Metallic Parthian.jpg (http://www.iranchamber.com/history/parthians/parthians.php)

Image:01 achaemenid silver ibex.jpg (http://www.iranchamber.com/art/articles/art_of_achaemenids.php Pictures of Achaemenid Artifacts)

Image:07b.jpg Image:E3 5 4a sassanian.jpg, Image:Parthian art 1.jpg http://www.asianart.com/index.html i've contacted their respected reference source for permission before uploading but to no answer or avail.So as a common trend for gallery or museum images its been used solely non-commercially with mention of its reference source which doesnt violate their policies.

Image:Map sassanid empire.jpg the source http://members.aol.com/ahreemanx/page77.html is correct.He is out for sometime but before getting the photo he assured me about its copyright status so Im liable to use it.

Image:Naqshe rostam.jpg has been verified why again you unverified it ? and hurry in verification of other images. Stop playing games in sassanid army , first of all I have their permission to use their materials and secondly it is not a copy of original. Show me the possible copyright violation in the article mr handsome .I removed those debated parts from article now what ?

Southern Azerbaijan

Please move Iranian Azerbaijan back to Southern Azerbaijan. The latter is much more common in the English-speaking world, and this is English Wikipedia. --Hottentot

Do you have any reason that is the case? If yes, please provide your reasoning on the talk page of the article itself. There is a claim there that "Iranian Azerbaijan" is more common. I tried Google as the person has mentioned, and yes, it gives more hits for "Iranian Azerbaijan" than "Southern Azerbaijan". roozbeh 20:42, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Google doesn't show anything. If you look at the google hits for Iranian Azerbaijan you notice that most of the websites are about bank notes. Most people refer to it as Southern/South Azerbaijan. Please change it back. --Hottentot

Sassanid army

Unblock the article , I'm writing a revamped new article , leaving no doubt of its originality to skeptics. --Amir85 19:46, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Not Without My Daughter

Dear Roozbeh, Please help us in making the following articles politically neutral and unbiased:

• Not Without My Daughter
• Betty Mahmoody

There were previously written from Americans point of view without even saying a word about Iranian side of the story and the possible political issues behind it. I tried to add the Iranian side of the story. Would you please help us making it even better ? Thanks. Sir Jeremy

Help Needed with Speedy Deletes

Hi Roozbeh, Would you please take care of this: Image:Michael-everson.jpg, and also help at Information_Technology_Channel and Ruzbeh. Thanks. Behdad 04:32, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Cyrus Cylinder

Dear Roozbeh, Would you please help to restore the article Cyrus Cylinder, which was deleted by user JW1805, he gave also some wrong information about the source and copyright of the article. I've given explanations in the article's talk page and on the Wikipedia copyright problems; please read. Thanks, Take care, --Mehrdad 12:55, 28 September 2005 (UTC) same as پارسی at Farsi section

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi

Hi, someone is making lots of vandalism on Mohammad Reza Pahlavi and Reza Pahlavi II, would you lock those pages or suggest any idea for keeping articles safe?--Sina 23:29, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Zereshk's RFA

Although you and I most likely will disagree in voting, I think it's important that you weigh in since you, Zereshk, and Zora, clearly have had past ineraction. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Zereshk. freestylefrappe 00:15, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Iranian Azerbaijan

Hey, could you please move Southern Azerbaijan back to Iranian Azerbaijan? Thanks. --Hottentot

• Done. roozbeh 22:44, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Farsi Keyboard Layout

You're well known as the creator of Daneel robot, fixing Keh and Yeh in farsi sections of wikipedia. In that regard, could you provide me with the proper farsi keyboard layout? What I currently use is better than the original microsoft version in regard to its ability to understand Zero-Width-Non-Joiner on SHIFT Space, and its correct understanding of Peh and Zheh characters. However its Key is the arabic one, and its Yeh is the dotted Arabic one as well. Also, its numerical buttons return the English digits. I've tried my best to find the corrected keyboard layout online, but no avail. Can you help me please? huji—TALK 21:25, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

See http://lists.sharif.edu/pipermail/persiancomputing/2003-June/000539.html roozbeh 16:49, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Yalda

Can you as an admin add Yalda or Winter solstice on the main page's selected anniversaries ? Amir85 20:36, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

fa:Special:Statistics

Importing the figures into multilingual statistigs is quite impossible without numeral conversion. Can you ad an English courtesy version as there is in ar:Special:Statistics ? Thank you.

Image:Kamelia_shojaee.jpg

Your help is greatly needed for an image copyright issue. The above image was uploaded to Wikipedia and has been subject to at least a dozen claims about its copyright status, most of them obviously bogus. The major factor driving the problem is that one of our Admins really wants to use the image on her userpage. Because of language barriers it has been difficult for us to determine who the copyright holder actually is... Although the artist's name is provided it is in a romanized form and returns no hits on google. Could you take a look at this and perhaps uncover some useful information? Thanks! --Gmaxwell 08:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Roozbeh_pournader.png

Thanks for uploading Image:Roozbeh_pournader.png. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator.

This is an automated notice by OrphanBot. If you have questions about copyright tagging of images, post on Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags or User talk:Carnildo/images. 13:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Hamadan

Hi, I saw your comment to ManiF on the Wikipedia entery of Hamadan[7]. I found the following link that can show ManiF was right: http://www.hamedanpolitic.ir/Group.aspx

--Ali doostzadeh 04:06, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Dear Roozbeh I'm waiting for your explanation in respect to "hossein derakhshan"'s page.I can defend all my editing there which were based on valuble evidences.Please reconsider your decision in protecting his page. Regards Ok Roozbeh. It seems that you don't like to play the game with reasonble rules,so let's change the rule shall we?

Beautifull.ziba seems to be vandalizing more than just that one page... sj

Image Tagging Image:Abtahi and m r khatami.jpg

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Abtahi and m r khatami.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. joturner 00:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Mohammadreza khatami.jpg

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Mohammadreza khatami.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Fair use, use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. joturner 23:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)