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Lost Covered Bridges of Parke County, Indiana

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Kingsport Victory title choice

See the Talk:USNS Kingsport Victory (T-AK-239) for some issues. The title name, USNS Kingsport Victory (T-AK-239) meets neither original nor best known selection among a number of names/designations. By far the best known, the one appearing in all references to satellite work are under the name USNS Kingsport (T-AG-164). Palmeira (talk) 13:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

New: Along the lines of our comments and your clean up efforts see Talk:USNS Captain Arlo L. Olson (T-AK-245) and my revision of the entire article. It is a good example of the danger of tagging similar commercial type hulls with Navy "class" as this ship was never in any such class. Have fun! Lots of checking and modifications to do there I suspect. Palmeira (talk) 18:05, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

I really like what you did with it. I guess I was thinking along the lines that these ships had been ordered by the Navy but the MC handles the paper work, etc. until delivered to the Navy. Yes, as the war winded down and these ship were orphaned it gets confusing as to what officially happened to some of them. Some are listed as being Commissioned and Decommissioned the same day. Ugh. Thanks again. Pennsy22 (talk) 03:37, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. See what I just added at Talk:Emory S. Land. That is why the WSA "fleet" was the largest of all and the story of how the U.S. industrial might that really did win the war, even admittedly by people not so impressed with our generals or the rest, got "over there" across hostile seas. WSA controlled essentially all oceangoing commercial type ships, even many Navy and core Army fleet hulls. They were "on loan" or "bareboat chartered" to the services. So, Navy commissioned and made USS ships it actually did not "own" at all until you find that title transfer post war. It was through WSA allocation, a process closely coordinated with the Allied Combined Chiefs of Staff and British Ministry of War Transport, and our own Joint Chiefs of Staff with personal access to and intervention by FDR for sticky cases that Army, Navy and others got those hulls. Somewhere behind those big transports named after generals switching about was a WSA allocation decision. Consider this from Land's report:

"The responsibility of the WSA under the Executive Order of February 7, 1942, extended to all phases of shipping including the purchase or requisition of vessels for its own use or the use of the Army, Navy, or other Government agencies; the repairing, arming, and degaussing of WSA controlled vessels and Allied vessels under lend-lease provision; conversion of vessels to troop transports, hospital ships, and for other special purposes; training and providing ship personnel, operating, loading, discharging and general control of the movement of these ships; administering and marine and war risk insurance laws and funds, and the control of terminal and port facilities, forwarding and related matters."

The other big "hidden" and "forgotten" in WW II U.S. logistics is the role of the Army Port of Embarkation (one of these days I'm going to finish that proect) system that controlled movement of men from even training and base camps far inland. Their trains, even from some Midwestern base, were under port control because that was how they got off and marched into embarkation camp barracks just vacated by a bunch just exiting the harbor on transports. Troops were under the Port Commander across the country through the port, on the ships until handed off "over there" to an overseas combat command. They also controlled all that industrial stuff for our and allied armies from industrial plant loading dock till into an overseas depot. They literally kept track of how many widgets passed through the port and there are some minor "scandals" when there weren't that many widgets overseas—minus those known to be sunk. All in the days before computers. On 3X5 cards and at best punch cards. Amazing stuff actually. Palmeira (talk) 00:32, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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September 2015

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Hi, I'm very sorry about moving the articles the wrong way, I had no idea I was doing it the wrong way. I have now submitted the moves the right way, I hope. Since the pages already exist it wasn't as easy as using the "move" tab. Thanks for your help. Pennsy22 (talk) 04:15, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Don't beat yourself up over it. Your editing was in good faith, even if it was wrong. You'll make many mistakes editing Wikipedia. As long as you learn from them you'll be fine. Wikipedia is a big place and it takes a while to learn all the ins and outs. Mjroots (talk) 05:57, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

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Early US cruiser articles

I've worked on a large number of USN ship class articles, mostly destroyers and submarines (see my user page), and I'm planning to start on the cruiser class articles. I also plan to add information to individual ship articles where that ship is the only one of their class, as is the case with most of the early USN cruisers. I noticed that you've edited many of these articles. I'd like to standardize a style that complies with the direction the Wikiproject:Ships wants to move in. Anyway, I plan to add a "Design and construction" section for each ship, using info from Friedman and other sources. I'll add a "Refits" subsection where appropriate. I've noticed that one of the project's goals is to move citations out of the infobox. I feel that, for armament, citations of Navweaps.com pages provide valuable additional information. Therefore, I plan to largely repeat what's in the infobox about armament, and add citations as appropriate. Although I've usually put Armament in its own section, I now see that it fits better as a paragraph of the "Design and construction" section. Can you recommend an article that currently conforms to the standards that the Wikiproject desires to achieve? I realize that very few articles are alike stylistically. I personally like the infobox style of USS San Francisco (C-5), but it does contain some citations, and the additional infoboxes for refits may be undesirable. RobDuch (talk) 03:55, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

My edits have gone through several changes since I really got started in Spring 2015. I was adding citations to everything in the infoboxes because that was what I had seen on other pages, then I started removing all the cites, but I didn't want to lose the reference so I started adding them in the headers, again, I had seen this on a few other pages too. I love the idea of adding a "Design and construction" section and I even added them into the Omaha-class cruiser pages. It's a huge project. It was recommended to me to add the extra infoboxes for the refits by a major Wikiproject:Ships contributor. I was making notations in the infobox and it was making it look very messy. I've made mistakes but I hope I've learned from them. Check USS Omaha (CL-4), I think it is what you're looking for. I have a Navweaps.com and Historyofwar.org tab open all the time for reference but I find that most people disagree with each other. Some list as the ship was built, some list how the ship was designed and some list the ship at a certain point in time. I try to put the "as built" info in the infobox and leave refits and upgrades to additional infoboxes and the main article. I don't know if this helps, I hope it does. Let me know if I can be of any other assistance. Pennsy22 (talk) 05:46, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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changing to sfn format cites

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USS Colorado

Thank you for your edits to subject article. I intentionally deleted the sentence you restored because the paragraph I added covered that Pacific cruise in greater detail. Might the reference citation you added be appropriate at some point within the subsequent paragraph to avoid the duplicate information? Thewellman (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see now! I only noticed that you deleted the sentence and noted that it wasn't referenced. I hate to see things deleted because of lack of reference when maybe someone can take the time to reference it if its noted. I unfortunatly failed to read the next paragraph where Amelia is again referenced. I will gladly move or remove the sentence. Thank you for taking the time to explain, much appreciated.Pennsy22 (talk) 03:16, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Amatasi

Hallo Amatasi is on my watch list for some reason, and I've amended a few of your recent changes:

The template {{Multihulls}} was converted to the list, at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_26#Template:Multihulls, so I removed it.

MOS:ITAL says that italics in quotes should be preserved.

The "How to cite this" in the encyclopedia included the author's name etc - I've reworked the ref.

Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. Happy Editing. PamD 07:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Chevrolet Corvette (C1)

Please read Chevrolet straight-6 engine#235. While the engine was originally used the the light-duty Chevrolet trucks, it had been used in their passenger car application with the Powerglide transmission since 1950. When the Corvette was developed, they used this application as the basis for the Corvette as the trucks were not available with the Powerglide transmission. They also used as much of the other mechanicals from the passenger cars as possible to keep the development costs as low as possible. In fact, the part and part number for the front suspension cross member was the same as used in the passenger cars from '49-'54 and in the C1's all the way until 1962. You could literally unbolt the front supension from a '49 sedan and bolt it into a 1962 Corvette. (Although there WAS a small difference in the spindle drop). I am a fan of SuperChevy magazine and have subscribed to it off and on for almost 40 years. However, as a reliable source, I would limit using it. The particular article you link does not seem to be that well written and does not contain any sources itself. The section discussing the origin of the engine says The Powerglide six was a solid, passenger-car version of the 235ci Chevy truck engine but omits the year that they started using it in passenger cars, thus seeming to imply that the Corvette was the first passenger car application for the engine, which is not the case. Nyth63 22:44, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but the version used in the Corvette was the higher compression engine with the truck camshaft that was used in the Chevy trucks. I thought I had a book at home that talked about it but am unable to find it. I know that the 235 was used in passenger cars, but the engine used in the Corvette was from the truck line. Maybe I'm not wording it to your liking but the 53 Vettes engine was basicly a truck engine, maybe you just don't want to believe that, but it's true.Pennsy22 (talk) 03:17, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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Potential 6"/50 caliber USN gun article

I've noticed that you've produced a good series of articles on pre-WWI US Navy gun types, and I'm sure you've noticed that I've added coast defense information where appropriate. Are you planning an article on 6"/50 caliber guns? A number of these (Navy guns in addition to Army guns) were used for coast defense in WWII, and some of these (mostly Mark 6 or Mark 8) survive. RobDuch (talk) 18:32, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

To be honest I don't know how I missed it. Yes, I will hopefully write it up tonight and please feel free to add whatever you want. I just thought that this was an area that was very lacking and I just hope I've helped. I thank you for the additions that you've made also, coast defense is very interesting to me, I live in Florida near Fort Desoto, which is a Spanish-American War era fort and I hope to maybe be able to contribute to this area some day.Pennsy22 (talk) 03:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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Edit-warring

It would be helpful if, instead of edit-warring, you took your concerns to the article talk page. There is absolutely no reason to switch {{convert}} to your pet template when the changes are transparent to the reader. Nor is there reason to remove valid links, or to change the citation style for no purpose. Parsecboy (talk) 12:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

If switching the conversions is no big deal then why do you keep undoing my edits? I didn't remove valid links, I removed repeated links. I didn't change the citation style, I corrected it. You are the one that started this. I did take the verifications to the talk page, I guess you couldn't be bothered by that.Pennsy22 (talk) 13:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Because you removed valid links (it is perfectly acceptable to link something in the lead and the body, especially in longer articles), added spurious citation needed tags, and changed the citation style (there is no "correct" style, by the way) - it's much easier to revert the transparent changes, since they are irrelevant, than to go through and fix everything by hand.

I started nothing - you boldly made a change, and I reverted it. You failed to discuss. Parsecboy (talk) 13:57, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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WikiProject Ships

Hi, when you add {{WikiProject Ships}} to the talk page of a template, such as Template talk:Boulder cargo beam, there's no need to include |class=Template|importance=NA as well. The first of these is detected automatically, as shown at Template:WikiProject Ships#Usage, second bullet. The |importance= parameter is ignored entirely. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, that's good to know, I actually just copied it from another template because I wasn't sure. Does this mess anything up? Do I need to go through and change them?Pennsy22 (talk) 04:17, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

No, they're harmless as they stand. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:28, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

USS Mifflin

Concerning you undo of my edit and then citing it did not meet Wiki standards MOS:HEADINGS. The Checkbox at the very top of that page states that Wikipedia expects editors to use "common sense". Further on it gets to what you are citing but not quite. It states that Wikipedia prefers that Headings not be links but it does not outright say "not permissible." Which leaves open the possablity of exceptions. Your heading "Invasion of Iwo Jima" is directly followed by the link " Battle of Iwo Jima". That is redundant writing. You repeat this again with the "Invasion of Okinawa" and the link "Battle of Okinawa". This is equally redundant. This style of writing reflects poorly on Wikipedia.

It appears that user 184.97.155.158 also thought these were redundent. But, you not only undid their edit of this article you went looking to see what else that user had edited and undid those other edits too. The undo of the SEABEES/ANTARCTICA edit is particulary odd. Looking into it, I believe that entire article was a College Wiki Project. The student's understanding of the subject was reasonably limited. User 184.97.155.158 made edits to make the article more accurate which you undid. That user is a former Seabee, that I happen to know, who was in Antarctica. He also worked on the ice runway mentioned in the edit. There are limited few on this planet qualified to edit that Seabee/Antarctica article user 184.97.155.158 being one of them. Your reverting the article to a state of inaccuracy begs the question why? Then right after that you did those undos that user's entire edit history was deleted from his page. mcb133aco — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.97.155.158 (talk) 06:08, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

First off, I didn't write the rules as far as the heading rule goes. Second, it would appear that user:mcb133aco (Mobile Construction Battalion 133) and user:184.97.155.158, and user:184.97.245.52 are all the same person? Looking back over the undo, it was mainly because the conversion was removed from the original article, but I don't see where any info was lost, it was just reworded from the original. I'm not sure which edit history you're talking about, I can see all 6 of your edits. Five made to Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 133 and one to my talk page. Now I can see where you edited your comments. Please don't edit others talk pages. Third, the reason I checked and other edits is because people with IP addresses tend to be Vandals and checking on their recent edits can turn this up. I hope this helps answer some of your questions. Also, please see Wikipedia:No original research to help answer questions about personal knowledge not being allowed, it must come from reliable, published sources.Pennsy22 (talk) 07:00, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Nosy busybody showing up here because of this note. This disagreement seems to centre around our manual of style for headings. @Mcb133aco: Although linking in section headings is not recommended, it isn't strictly prohibited. However, it should only be done under extraordinary circumstances and would need a justification. Having said that, I agree with mcb133aco that the further information links looks a little redundant. A better solution would be to integrate the links directly in the article text. For example, something like:

Mifflin was responsible for transporting the 2nd Battalion 23rd Marines during the [[Battle of Iwo Jima|invasion of Iwo Jima]]. On 19 February, her boats landed the 2nd Battalion 23rd Marines and their Shore Party, B Co 133 NCB—4th Marine Division on beach "Yellow 2", Iwo Jima. etc... This drectly integrates the link into the paragraph and eliminate the need for the further information link or linking in the heading itself. Thoughts? -- Whpq (talk) 15:32, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Mcb133aco:, no problem. I'm sorry he feels I'm being vindictive, first off, I felt like his edit to USS Mifflin (APA-207) didn't help the article, he removed links and a citation template, second, while the rule doesn't ban the use of links in section headings I again feel that adding the {{further}} template seems reasonable, third, his edit to Seabees removed a conversion and made claims without citing sources. I thought that I explained why I had reverted these edits. I have not deleted or removed anything from his account, I do not have those abilities, I only wanted to bring it up that these accounts seem a little strange, as you can see on my talk page he refers to himself as a "friend of his", which is what prompted the Sockpuppet question. While I thank him for any service he provided to his country that doesn't give him permission to add material to articles without proper sourcing. I appreciate you taking the time to help resolve this issue.Pennsy22 (talk) 05:09, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

The only reason I am on Wikipedia is the NMCB133 article. What was posted was fiction. I had made some effort to get the Navy to correct the "History" to no avail. When I learned about Wikipedia it was Ah ha!!!!! If I posted one fact after the next it would be very hard to dismiss facts with footnotes that the whole world could read. The 133rd still exists and has a facebook page. It had links to several sites regarding it's History. Since I have posted those facts, Wikipedia is now really the primary source for 133 History online. The Naval History & Heritage Command link is now a 404 error. The same thing happens for 133 at the Seabee Archives. The only reason I ran into you is the USS Mifflin is linked to the 133 article. My only other edits are on linked articles. I thank you for the offer but I am really very close to done with what I plan to do. Whatever issues there are with the 133 article I will address so you are welcome to point them out. I think that Bare URLs tag can be removed- I think. Strange, but I never thought about the lead until today.(I had history to correct) I think it meets the bare minunum now. What remains now is for the Awards Division at USMC Headquarters to review what I submitted regarding the award issue mentioned in the article. One of the men that drove a D-8 cat onto yellow beach 1 at 0935 D-day asked me "to get it done". The Wiki article is an offshoot of that effort. The facts are exactly what they are. I am hoping the Marines give me something to add to all this. Now if I could write an article about ineptitude at the Board of Corrections for the Naval Record, Wikipedia would get another article out of me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.97.155.158 (talk) 06:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC) 184.97.155.158 (talk) 16:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC)mcb133aco184.97.155.158 (talk) 16:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Seabee

I am back to take you up on your offer to help. I wrote the leade to the Seabees article a while ago and someone added an edit that they were "Combat Engineers'. That edit was the last line of the paragraph and I it ride. However, recently a new edit was done redoing the entire thing. This time The Leade opened with "Combat Engineers' which is so egregiously wrong I went back and did a rewrite. Now someone like you has checked it and the paragraph itself was acceptable. I had two additional sentances following that they said were nonsense. I was not surprised by the first sentance being an issue for some one. But, I reposted the second as I believe it is fact. It was deleted again. "unsourced bad pov" It reads; "The Navy and Marine Corps Full service General Contractor" is a close description for todays Seabees." My pov is biased with regards to the branch but the description is nearly accurate in the application. A 100% accurate description can probably not be done in a single sentance. But, to come with "unsourced bad pov' after you have read the paragraph makes me want to question the IQ. So, when you have a moment would you read and share your opinion with me. Thank you.Mcb133aco (talk)mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk)

My gosh! It was not my intent for you to do a pile of research on a subject that you may have no interest in.(And you were quite thourgh about it too!) So, I am here to thank for your time and effort. Also thought I would say; I looked at that Battleship article, and another My Gosh!, looks completely daunting to me from the editing pov.

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Another Question

Wkikpedia issue that I think exists. In working on my project I ran across Wikipedia articles that should be sub-sections of a related main article: i.e. Seabees and Seabees in WWII, Iwo Jima and Battle of Iwo Jima, and lastly, Okinawa and Battle of Okinawa. The proper thing to do is to consolidate each. However, if the Battle of Iwo Jima is imbeded in the larger article it disappears from basic internet searches and can not be directly linked as a topic in Wikipedia. Do you have access to the Wikipedia software Dept. to recommend say three [[[ before aand after a heading ]]] to allow the subtopic to be searchable and linkable. It would be a good tool for organizing the Wikipedia better. Mcb133aco (talk)mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk)

Yes, I was thinking the same thing last night how the two articles should be merged, though I can see a benefit to having them separate and just linked to each other. The Seabee article can be an overview with the WWII article going into more specifics, otherwise the Seabee article may become too large.Pennsy22 (talk) 03:50, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

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Seabee

Last time I contacted you, you turned it into a project. Once again will say thanks for that. I did not see it the last time I visited your page, but the help template and info you have posted above I should use instead of bothering you but I am here now. You have done the Wkipedia much longer than I so I expect you know exactly what vandalism is as far as Wikipedia is concerned. So, when you have a moment I am asking that you review an article: United States Marine Corps. In the "WWII history" section I added 3 lines concerning the Seabees. A tag was then posted {citations needed}. I posted two. This was OK but same editor left note the some rewrite was needed in addition. Did that too, plus linked 4 USMC Regiments that are in Wikipedia.(which a different editor then reverted entirely as possible vandalism)(see 17th, 18th, 19th & 20th Marines) I had also added two lines in the "Navy /Marine interaction" section, further in the article. There was absolutely nothing in this section regarding the Seabees and Marines. Which indicates the author had a limited knowledge base to work with and is neither excusable or acceptable. I wrote the the Seabees will respond to any USMC tasking as they have historically and that the impossible will take a little longer. I expect that the editor found this un-encylopedic. My response is that is first class ignorance. For the Seabees this is a statement of fact, no citation needed and the "impossible taking longer is part of the Seabee saying.(already posted in Wikipedia) If the Marines say: "they will get it done or semper fi" does Wikipedia need a citation to prove it? My pov on this is that these reverts are vandalism and you will inform me how I have it wrong. Thanks Mcb133aco (talk) 20:58, 20 May 2017 (UTC)Mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk) 20:58, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

I added your links to the Marine regiments back in using a "note". Hopefully this won't upset the other editor. I personally didn't see a problem and I liked the references that you added, very interesting read. I think for most people, myself included, the Seabees are hard to understand, they are assigned to Marine regiments, but aren't Marines, etc. Anyway, we'll see what happens and I'll look at adding the "impossible taking longer" next week. We'll squeeze it in there somehow. :-) Pennsy22 (talk) 07:35, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I know you have some understanding of the military from all the naval articles you have done. LOL to the "understanding" comment. Had the Navy let the Marines absorb the the CBs into the Corps there would not be what is. As a Naval component it is odd as can be, as there will never be amphibious operations again like WWII, most operations are land based and CBs still mostly go where the Marines go.(still wear the fatiques and get miliary training too) My draft number was 3 and you could get drafted into the Marines then, so I enlisted in the CBs. Went through naval boot. Joined my Battalion and there was a gunny there to ensure our "proper military training", courtesy of the United States Marine Corps. There's an LOL for you.

Have never seen a note like you posted. Way cool!

Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune

Once again I return to you with my issues. An archivist at the Seabee Museum archives sent me the attached document.(IT IS NOT POSTED ONLINE- SO YOU EITHER HAVE TO GO THE ARCHIVE OF HAVE IT MAILED) I used that information to make an edit to the article on Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune. My edit was deleted stating my "edit was done in good faith but the (seabee) Museum (archives) were not a reliable source. I do not know, but I believe that the (TW) was done in anticipation that the edit would be reverted. In any case, I would very much like to get you imput. Thank you once again.Mcb133aco (talk) 23:05, 8 July 2017 (UTC)mcb133Mcb133aco (talk) 23:05, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Seabee Archives have said that they will post this online so I can link it. ThanksMcb133aco (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2017 (UTC)Mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Training~with~Marines000

That's good, I hope that will satisfy some people, although someone will probably still argue it. I'm sure there might be a rule that we could use but I wasn't having much luck finding it. Pennsy22 (talk) 08:23, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

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WWII tanks navbox

I see what you are trying for, but it adds too much complexity to a navbox which already has lots of entries. If the box was - by default - in the bottom of the article and used in wide mode, then I think there would be more room to work with But on the whole it's tucked up under the infobox. I think some reconsideration of individual entries and their positions can be looked at but needs more involvement from rest of editors. GraemeLeggett (talk) 07:42, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I put a lot of work into that to be completely reverted. There are a lot of wrong entries, sorry I missed the T-35, but the whole Assault and Super Tank Cats are just wrong. If you prefer it just be the Major Armies then we can leave out a few. What pages is it tucked under the infobox? It isn't on the M4 Sherman page. Please consider unreverting an fixing. Pennsy22 (talk) 08:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm not trying to give impression it was all wrong - but a massive change is harder to review - and I think addition of notes is definitely a retrograde step. I favour changes being made in steps which makes it easier to follow but that's just my view. On specifics, What makes the assault tank category wrong?, the super-heavies are all very heavy tank designs - and conveniently all prototype or design only. The navbox isn't under every template, but of three I picked at random (Panzer IV, Tiger II, KV) it was. GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:35, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I personally think the whole "Super-heavy" cat should be made into a separate template. Where is the template supposed to be? Under the info box or at the bottom of the page? I prefer the bottom of the page. That's one thing that needs sorted out because it's in different places on different pages. There are Assault guns and while they are Armored fighting vehicle are they tanks? We need to define what is a tank. Do we include Tank destroyers and Assault guns? That would make the list huge. That's not what I want. But do we also want a list that isn't complete? Please see the templates talk page for more. We can continue the discussion there. Thanks for your feedback. Pennsy22 (talk) 04:03, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

USS Oglala (CM-4)‎

Before you revert me again at USS Oglala (CM-4)‎, please note that I did give some explanation for my original revert on the talk page. It was not some random act of vandalism or anything like that. That massive copy/paste etc you made earlier in the year was not an encyclopaedic addition. I'm sure if can be fixed but I'm also sure that it should be fixed before reinstatement due to concerns regarding neutrality etc. IT might be better to work on it in a sandbox, given the size of the thing.

We make it far too easy, in my opinion, for people to copy/paste crap from "official" sources etc. And we're far too tolerant of US bias. - Sitush (talk) 05:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

I showed you the "consensus" in my explanation for undoing you revert. And for your information I agree with some of your statements and I'm editing it right now. Pennsy22 (talk) 05:28, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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Seabee

Back for your thoughts again. Since you made your edit I have expanded the article some. Have had a couple of editors read it with a lot of stars on their pages. But, a new one showed up that said there were 103 bare references. Tell me what I do not know please. There is probably the same issue with the Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 133 article too. Another editor questioned the article's length. I have been working on reducing the number of bytes and now this editor added another 11,294. I think the inactive units section can be deleted but that got me a note for section blanking. So, when you have a moment would you share your thoughts. Thanks Mcb133aco (talk) 01:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk) 01:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, let me help answer a couple of your questions. While you were adding references in they were only meeting the bare minimum of what a reference should be. Here is a link Link Rot that may help shed some light on it. When only putting a url link for a reference in the future they may go dead, that is move, get renamed, or other things that will break the link, but if you add other information, website it was found at, author, date, these types of things, there is a better chance of fixing the dead or broken link. That is what the other author meant by "bare references". Don't worry, with my first articles I did the same thing. Then there may be a problem with the length of the article, this can be pretty subjective but there is good cause to not have an article be too long, the reading may become bored or there may be a lot included that might have significance to you but the general reading doesn't care about. When you blank a section you need to have really good cause to remove things from an article, with some authors it's hard to add things, with others it can be hard to remove. If you think that there is a section or sections that could be removed and made into a separate article then that would be one way to go. Create the new article and then link it back to the Seabee article. Decide what you want the core Seabee article to be about and make it that, is there a Seabees in WWII article already? If not maybe some of the Seabee article can be made into one. That kind of thing. You want this article to be about the Seabees, their history (creation), their duties, their structure, etc. You also need to make sure it is written in a neutral form, write it like you're not a Marine Vet but a neutral party. That means you have to leave out positive, and negative, words about their work and duty, act like you could care less about their exploits and history, I know, it isn't easy sometimes. Transfer the Units and Inactive units to a List and link it, that way the information isn't being lost just moved and the reading can reference it if they want. I know this is a lot, and I hope I've helped. Just remember, this isn't a blog so some things just don't or won't belong here, not that they aren't important, just not the right venue.Pennsy22 (talk) 04:06, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. So did that other editor take the time to actually research each reference that those 11,000 bytes got added or is there a tab to click that will search the web and fill in the information? Mcb133aco (talk) 01:55, 21 October 2017 (UTC)mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk) 01:55, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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Portal-template location

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Yes, you are correct, it does say it can be place in the "See also" section, it also says it can be in the "External links" section. I have been told that it belongs in the "External links" section by other editors so this is where I've been placing it. It is my understanding from what I've been told is that when it is placed just before the navboxes it doesn't get lost, it's hard to see in the "See also" section. I'm not going to get into an edit war over this one page, thank you for not moving it on the LST-475 page. I will take this to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships talk page and try to reach a consensus as to where it should be place on ship pages. I hope this is an acceptable solution. Thank you. Pennsy22 (talk) 05:23, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it is. Cheers! --Omnipaedista (talk) 07:06, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

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SS James A. Wetmore referencing

I didn't change the referencing style out of personal preference, it's that I don't think this style works well with these type of references. If you look at the article, you just can't tell which reference is from which source with the exception of "Davies 2004". This is the only one with an author/date that you can use to positively tie the reference to the bibliography. If they were all like that I wouldn't have changed it. If you don't like my way, I still suggest you improve it somehow. MB 15:55, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

If you click on the reference it will take you to the article in the bibliography. Like I said, I appreciate the heads up on this alternative and I will consider it, just not sure if it's necessary. And thank you for being civil, it's a dying art.Pennsy22 (talk) 04:30, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

On another note, would you like me to change the ref style in the James A. Wetmore, I was just copy/pasting the same thing into all the ship namesake articles, so I can change it to match if you want.Pennsy22 (talk) 04:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I don't like having to click on a reference to find it, I think it should be intuitive from just reading the article. As I said, this style would work fine if the sources all had an author/date, but most of the sources here have neither. See the following quote from WP:Parenthetical referencing#Disadvantages: "Rules can be complicated or unclear for non-academic references, particularly those where the personal author is unknown, such as government-issued documents and standards." If you use this style because you don't like the references being in the source of the article as is normally done (which I find very distracting when editing) - my version used list-defined references which also minimized the amount of text in the source.

I've changed James A. Wetmore for consistency within that article. Thank's for adding that, I put everything I could find about Wetmore into that article but didn't know about the ship. MB 16:46, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Seabee

Question for you. An editor added their "Dad" to the Notable Seabee section and I can find nothing to support this. If this is vandalism would you take care of it.

Thank you.Mcb133aco (talk) 18:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk) 18:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Taken care of. Pennsy22 (talk) 04:49, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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Seabee

Sorry to trouble you again. I was asked by Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 11 to write their Wiki page. That is a request you do not receive everyday and said would be glad to, but I had a lot of reading to do because I knew next to nothing about the battalion. I submitted it to Wikipedia and was accepted. It has now been tagged COI for a "major contributor". If you have a moment would you read and edit what you think to remove that tag. Thank you Mcb133aco (talk) 02:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk) 02:46, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Will add: that the posting of that COI tag is particularly irksome.  The Command of NMCB 11 had attempted to do their own Wiki article but had it rejected because of Wikipedia's COI policy.  They reviewed what else was on Wikipedia and requested that I do their article from what they saw I had done.  To them it solved the COI issue in that I had no affiliation or history with the unit and knew absolutely nothing about them.  You can read their "Special Request" on my talk page.    Wikipedia expects "good faith" but, my opinion is that in the ignorance of how this article came to be,  the posting of that tag was conjecture and speculation on the part of the editor(and then insinuates that the entire article may have COI issues but does not cite any).  I also object to the editing that was done.  Rather than edit word choice they deleted content.  Really want to read your thoughts,  Thanks

The COI tag has been removed. Sorry it took me so long to respond, I started a new job last January and have not had as much time as I used to for editing Wikipedia.Pennsy22 (talk) 04:29, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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My edits

Is there a reason you reverted my edits? A 10 fireplane (talk) 14:51, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

All you needed to do was edit the template, that's why it's there, not all the article pages. Did you even look at what you changed and what I changed?Pennsy22 (talk) 04:19, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Ahh ok I got ya, thanks for the explanation A 10 fireplane (talk) 15:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

A 10 fireplane, you're welcome, it wasn't anything personal. You're initial edit was good, as far as needing MPH added, you just went about it the wrong way is all.Pennsy22 (talk) 03:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Well I'm glad you cought my mistake and correct it, happy editing A 10 fireplane (talk) 04:26, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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Well, I believe I have done what I am going to do to the Seabee article. There are many that have prodded me since I asked your help, but I am going to ask you give a review for any more suggestions. ThanksMcb133aco (talk)Mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk)

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I am going to ask your help in creating consistency across some articles if you have the authority. The Navy has Naval Mobile Construction Battalions and Amphibious CBs. Four of the battalions have article titles that use the Arabic number: 5, 11, 25 and 133. Five use the written number: One, Two, Three, and Four. Could you change them all to use the Arabic number and create a redirect for the written form. Thank you

• Amphibious Construction Battalion One (ACB-1)
• Amphibious Construction Battalion TWO (ACB-2)
• Naval Mobile Construction Battalion One (NMCB 1)
• Naval Mobile Construction Battalion Three (NMCB 2)
• Naval Mobile Construction Battalion Four
• Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 5
• Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 11
• Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 25
• Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 133

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I was able to move all but Naval Mobile Construction Battalion One and Four, I put in delete requests for the pages in use so the articles can be moved. Please go through the articles and make sure they are all consistent with each other, mainly the Infobox headings, some have Arabic numbers and others are spelled out. Thanks! Pennsy22 (talk) 13:23, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Have one more request. Would you change NMCB 25 to Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 25 and add the re-direct for that one too.Mcb133aco (talk)mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk)

Done. Pennsy22 (talk) 13:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Could you change the Seabee article to "Seabees" please. The plural form of the word is by far the most common usage. Seabee singular form is "odd" for the subject title. ThanksMcb133aco (talk) 20:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk) 20:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

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Back again. Your pages have grown so that you look like a real Wikipedian. I deleted that note about those tags that were posted. They are still there, but I will say they turned to be a good thing. Have been editing and deleting and is much improved in my opinion. Even so, it is large by Wiki standards. Now to get to what this is about, wanted to say thanks again for your input and assistance.Mcb133aco (talk) 02:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)mcb133acoMcb133aco (talk) 02:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hello. I was poking around some naval articles and noticed that on List of destroyers of the United States Navy, where it says the ships are "listed by name", the names are actually preceded by the hull number. (They're also written in the older markup.) However, I also noted that back in 2018, you started to correct this, by changing the entries to name-then-number, using the newer 'USS' template, (killing two birds with one stone), but you stopped after completeing all the 'A's and 'B's. I know this can be tedious work, I wonder if you plan to return to it, or do you mind if others take up effort? Cheers - wolf 09:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I started it with great intentions but with changes in my job I have far less time on Wikipedia than I used too. It had actually slipped my mind. I would love the help in finishing this up. Thank you!Pennsy22 (talk) 13:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

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I must say I am abit disappointed at your shortsighted attitude. The rationale for reverting my edits is incorrect, and frankly insulting! The question of whether it is suitable content I concede may be moot, but I insist that the content be re-instated so that a discussion be opened to reach a concensus!--Petebutt (talk) 16:06, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure I could have cited several more reasons to remove the added content, Wikipedia:Verifiability for one, but it doesn't appear to be in the proper place, it isn't written out correctly, x vs. ×, and doesn't add to the articles. You should have asked for consensus prior to adding. You shoehorned this info into several Good Articles which doesn't make sense.Pennsy22 (talk) 17:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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Shared Name

The WP:SHAREDNAME editing guideline is to avoid categories that only share the name of a subject, so that the connection isn't WP:DEFINING. So the USS Orange County name is not a coincidence but neither is it a basis for categorization. For example see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 March 16#Category:Streets and roads named after Martin Luther King, Jr. for something that is only named after someone else while Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial is defined by Dr. King. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

These ships don't just share a name, they are actually named for these locations. But if you say they can't be categorized after what they are named for then you have several thousand ship articles that you'll need to edit. Pennsy22 (talk) 00:20, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

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