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Message intended for you

Hi Pembeana, I received the following response from user: Hirpex, which I believe was intended to respond to your message on Hirpex's talk page. For your convenience I have copy/pasted it below. All the best. :-) -- Marek.69 ^talk 15:26, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

[copy/pasted from user:Marek69's talk page:]

About Liquidambar orientalis

Hi Marek,

I have frequently been touring around in the region where Liquidambar orientalis is an endemic species, and I remember that already some 30 years ago I found the native name of this tree rather puzzling. In those days there was no Wikipedia, and I had almost forgotten about my initial surprise when I found the article – precisely in Wikipedia.

I have always been keen on etymologies in this part of the world for the simple reason that I know several Mediterranean languages. Through this knowledge I am able to sift linguistic material from the Inner Mediterranean somehow more critically than most people, and especially locals who would just “use folk-etymological procedures” when explaining unusual words. And the Turkish word for Liquidambar orientalis is unusual. The word günlük normally means “daily, that lasts one day, éphémère”. Obviously this word has nothing to do in the context of the plant, but this is how people associate because they can't come up with any other explanation. In fact, günlük also means what I mention in Wikipedia, but the interesting thing with this rare meaning of günlük is that its etymology is – or should probably be considered as – unknown. One of the two most authoritative Turkish etymological dictionaries (Türk dilinin etimolojik sözlüğü by Hasan Eren – the other one never arrived as far as the letter g before the author died) states indeed – and that is a very honest view – the origin of this word to be unknown. Now I see that Nişanyan, an Armenian inn keeper and hobby etymologist (with a lot of interesting etymological suggestions – you know Armenians from Istanbul are well known to be polyglots), in this dictionary on the web he suggests a Persian etymology. As I see it, this is pure guesswork, but I would have to look more closely into it and perhaps consult an expert on Persian that I know in Chicago.

Whatever the etymology is, the question is of great importance when considering the origin of this endemic species in Turkey. Obviously the plant is, as the article in Wikipedia indicates, a tertiary relict endemic taxon. As I see it, cracking the question of the etymology of günlük might shed light on how the tree ended up in this region.

I should add that there are Turkish words galore without an authoritative etymology, and the reason is of course that this country has seen quite a number of different ethnic groups coming and going through Anatolia for the last 4.000 years or so.

I would therefore be against your opinion that this is gullible only for those who enjoy the nitty-gritty of exotic etymological explanations. Instead I would invite whoever might come up with some better idea than Nişanyan – or perhaps even corroborate his version! – to mobilize. We live in an age of inter-disciplinary studies. The good thing about Wikipedia is that people having widely – if not wildly – different expertise, read things that they might never have read before. I am not a botanist, but I happen to be a hobby entomologist. And entomology is as far from my own expertise as one could possibly imagine.

Mutatis mutandis, nobody would say today that the notorious Etruscan origin of Roma, being the capital of Italy, is of no interest.

By the way, I am not very "productive" in Wikipedia for the time being as I am too busy with other things. Thanks for the cookies anyway!

Best greetings from

Hirpex (talk) 19:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I had cleared my cookies and not realised that I was not logged in. I don't agree that Akyaka page should include Idyma at all. Idyma extends further than you say but in the opposite direction. A tomb at Elmalı is attributed to Idyma as are tombs further to the west of Gökova and it is generally agreed that Idyma finished more to the east of Akyaka at Inisdibi, with only a harbour attributed to Muğla at Iskele. Akyaka has already added the brown tourism signposts declaring Akyaka to be Sedir Adası which is about 6 miles further up the gulf. They have placed a sign outside of the tombs at Gökova whıch is Gökova Municipality, not Akyaka and it appears all in the name of furthering tourism for Akyaka, denying Gökova town of its own heritage. It would be more appropriate to show the newest finds in Akyaka dating from 500 AD than to appropriate the heritage of other towns. Idyma was not in Akyaka. Its proximity simply makes useful advertising for Akyaka. It was inappropriate for it to be under Akyaka even before there was a Gökova page.

With regard to page title, I created it as "Gökova" but it would not work and only finally worked when I added the full title as is. It now however, redirects from "Gökova". On other pages mentioning "Gökova" as a link, it variously gives results as "this page does not exist", works fine to the new title or shows that it is redirecting, hence the changes to other pages to get "Gökova" to link to the "Gökova" page.....Kozlukuyu (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

April 2010

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