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Nomination of Franklin Guards for deletion

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G'day

I just wanted to say g'day seeing as you might be a little put out that I've suggested merging a few of your articles. I don't want to stifle your enthusiasm here, but at WikiProject Military history we've found that platoon/troop and company-level sub-units are in almost all cases, well below the general notability guideline for significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. The relevant guidance is at WP:MILUNIT. As you'll see, it is generally accepted that battalion-level units often do meet the requirements of the general notability guideline. Without wishing to prejudge the outcomes of the deletion discussions, I encourage you to merge relevant information to the parent formation (usually battalion or regiment), so your work isn't lost if the article are deleted. What company-level detail is appropriate in such a parent article is for others to judge, but I really can't see such stand-alone troop/platoon or company-level articles ever reaching the requirements of the general notability guideline. I encourage you to join us at Milhist, where you will be among like-minded editors, and can ask for guidance where needed. Regards, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:17, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67: Yes, this is honestly very upsetting. I understand the general rule about companies not having stand-alone pages, but these are not for active duty units. The history of the Florida National Guard is tied to its companies, not the Regiments, because it's about hometowns.

This is a lot of work that brings great value to soldiers and people interested in Florida National Guard units. I am working with Center for Military History to get separate lineages published for some of these units that I've created a page for. In the case of Troop C, 1-153 Cavalry, there is a certificate already for a unit called the "Governor's Guards". If a unit already has a separate lineage and honors certificate, does that not merit a page? Also, if you follow these companies you will see they do not follow a battalion or regiment's lineage. National Guard units are unique and Florida National Guard units are especially unique since the state was rural compared to other states for so long and there existed "independent volunteer companies" for decades before any battalions were formed. In 1870s thru 1890s there was one battalion of 10-12 companies in the Florida State Troops, and another 30 to 97 "independent volunteer companies".

Units like Troop C, 1-153 Cavalry have a special lineage that does not align to any higher level of organization. It is recognized in the State of Florida with pictures of the unit in the Capitol and written about in Robert Hawk's "Florida's Army" (https://www.amazon.com/Floridas-Army-Militia-National-1565-1985/dp/0910923345)

What can I do to keep these pages? I am okay with making changes, but would regret them being deleted, and many simply cannot be merged. It wouldn't make sense. A unit like Troop C, 1-153 Cavalry has a lineage older than it's current higher unit, 153rd Cavalry Regiment.

I could merge Troop B, 1-153 Cavalry with its higher unit by making a section under the Squadron for B Troop's history. It is not particularly special, forming post-WWII. The lineage is interesting though and doesn't follow it's higher unit, the 1-153 Cavalry, but I can move the pertinent stuff into a paragraph in that page.

I could use help preserving the history of these unique units. Please make suggestions.

To me, it seems that most of this sort of information belongs in the Florida National Guard article, which needs expansion. I also can't see any reason why a sub-unit that predates the current parent unit can't be covered in the history of the current parent unit. That is where you would expect it to be. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:34, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@Peacemaker67: Well, if the pages get deleted, I am done working on Florida Guard history on wikipedia. It's been years of research and I've been putting some of it on wiki to spread the information. I do believe that Troop C, 1-153 Cavalry and Franklin Guards are unique from their current higher unit and should remain separate. There are already many independent companies throughout wikipedia. I will look for secondary sources citing the unit to see if that bolsters their legitimacy. The Florida National Guard article needs updating, but adding parts of these pages won't be coherent and wouldn't complete the story. There have been hundreds of these independent companies in the Florida National Guard, some having long histories like Troop C and Franklin Guards, but others being formed and existing only a few years. As you can see, I've only created a few articles for certain units with longevity. On a side note, if Troop C, 1-153 Cavalry does remain, I want to change the article's name to the unit's traditional name "Governor's Guards".

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