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I am a new editor and I was unaware of the policy about linking to external .com references and have removed them. However, I think the image of this figure provides a lifelike reference to the subject at this particular age and I obtained proper permission to use the picture and add it to Wikimedia Commons under the CC attribution sharealike license. Mr. Stuart is the artist and should be at least acknowledged in the same way as a portrait painter. Mr. d'Aprix is the photographer and must be referenced under the terms of the CC attribution license.

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"Mr. Stuart is the artist and should be at least acknowledged in the same way as a portrait painter." - Not so. The pictures in historical articles are meant to be predominantly either contemporary lifelike images of the person, or (if no such image can be found) later realistic attempts to depict what they looked like; with a few images to depict cultural representations of what the figures looked like (e.g. the movie scene of Catherine, the Victorian pseudo-historical opinion). There is no need to include a picture of a figurine, which gives no additional benefit to the article, being neither life-like contemporary, nor a cultural interpretation. There is certainly no need to include a vanity link to the artist's work, none of which is widely circulated, and thus can hardly stand as a cultural representation or commonly used image. Michael Sanders 23:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but wikipedia is not a showroom. You are welcome to take this issue up, but I really don't see what benefit modern dolls based on contemporary paintings, and which have no claim to be representative of popular culture, can give to any article on the person. Michael Sanders 14:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Third opinion. I don't think that these photographs of figurines are notable enough for inclusion on articles that already have a more direct representation of these people. Additionally, it seems somewhat spammy. Please reply here on your talk page rather than on mine—otherwise the conversation will become very hard to follow. Grouse 15:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to offer your opinion.

Third opinion. The works of art might be reasonable for inclusion if the following held true:

1. The process by which they were developed was somehow validated by objective third parties as a good scientific process for determining appearances. (It looks like it might be, but it is unclear that it is).

2. The pictures were of better quality and the art did not look "doll-like".

3. The insertion of the pictures did not seem to be more of an advertisement rather than informative

4. Any copyright holders were not unhappy with the inclusion.

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Thank you for taking the time to offer your opinion. I would not know how to validate the research process involved in the production of these figures other than to compare them to contemporary portraits. As for point 2, I honestly feel they provide a more realistic depiction of the person than some contemporary stylized portraits, but it is difficult to resolve differences in opinion of artistic value. Addressing point 3, in the latest edit I included information about the portrait historical view - the year and age of the subject depicted. This is consistent with captions included with contemporary images. Point 4: As indicated in my opening statement on this talk page, I obtained the images for inclusion in Wikicommons under the unrestricted attribution, share-alike license with the photographer's approval.

I'm sorry you do not concur with my appreciation of the historical detail that is reflected by these figures and the value I feel they bring to related Wikipedia articles. However, my time is valuable, to me at least, and I see no purpose in continuing to spend it fruitlessly.

Well, on point 2, the pictures are not very good. They have compression artifacts and low resolution. There is something about them that just looks "wrong" and of lower quality than the other works.

On point 1, I can appreciate the artist's efforts. The work does look like it took quite a bit of research. However, what are the artist's credentials for developing these historical figures? Does the artist have a forensics background and did he use actual skulls? If not, how is his "interpretation" of the art that exists objectively better than the "interpretation" I can apply to one or more of the original pieces of art that I could view? And even artists who do have such credentials may not develop pieces that are as good as a painting. For example, I have seen the Maddam Tissaud version of John Kennedy as well as a portrait of him. The portrait, from life, just captures him better. As an example of some figures that do not work look here and here. Notice how wonderfully done this figure of Hugh Grant is, but then look closer and realize that he rarely smiles like that and when he does, it looks different. But I still might not object if tbe pictures were of better quality (larger, higher resolution versions available) and if the art did not look "doll-like" - that is realistic details, skin tones, hair and coloring. I think part of the problem there is that the figures are less than life-size. That makes the details less realistic.

--Blue Tie 16:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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M, Hope you got permission to use a painting from the museum. The museum is not a "government" owned entity, and therefore the art work is not necessarily free to copy. They often hold copyrights, or the artist does. I had to show Wikimedia proof from the director of the National Infantry Museum that I had permission to post an image from the "old" museum on a piece. Meyerj (talk) 01:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, in fact the museum provided the images. Artwork produced by soldiers participating in the Vietnam Combat Art Program are legally public domain images because they were created by soldiers on active duty under orders to produce art as their main responsibility thereby making them works produced by the U.S. Army. James Pollock, one of the artists participating in the program and knowledgeable about their public domain status obtained the images from the museum curator during the preparation of the main Wikipedia page about the program. Pollock asked me to assist him as he was unfamiliar with wiki syntax and I have been a Wikipedia editor since 2004. Mharrsch (talk) 18:55, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Got it. Some time back I combined a scanned copy of an article from an Army publication and combined it with the banner from the cover of the publication and said it was produced by the Army and free to post and Wikimedia removed it. The photo I used from the museum stands with Wikimedia's blessing. Meyerj (talk) 01:02, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Even though I prepared an entire page about the Vietnam Combat Artists Program that clearly explains how the soldiers were selected for the program and ordered to produce art, I was almost immediately challenged by another Wikipedia editor for categorizing the art from the program as public domain even though it clearly matched the definition in addition to the fact that the Army's official Center for Military History provided the images. I'm hoping that many editors will take to heart the latest goals statement from Wikipedia to be more collaborative with other editors and welcoming to new editors and stop removing other editors work without discussing issues surrounding it. I know I get really frustrated when someone reverts a page, removing my edits, when I know I have researched the information carefully and/or added an image that is directly related and with proper rights. No one likes to waste their time. Mharrsch (talk) 17:38, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

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Hi I’m just reviewing this article and I’m a bit puzzled by it. I thought it was going to be a glossary of Latin terms like Glossary of ancient Roman religion but then I saw it included things like barrel vault which isn’t Latin or uniquely Roman, and Chamfer. Can I suggest that you try and define the scope of the list more clearly? You may want to move it to draft for a time while you work on it. Thanks. Mccapra (talk) 03:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

This glossary is a compiled list of terms I encountered while translating the academic text "Hauser in Pompeji: Casa del Principe di Napoli" by Professor Volker Michael Strocka. It includes terms like barrel vault because these terms are used to describe the architectural structures encountered by archaeologists excavating Roman sites. Many of these terms are also included in glossaries used in other academic texts about Roman culture and Roman archaeology. I hope to finish the page in the next couple of days so I don't think moving it to drafts is needed even though I have over 150 terms to add. I've also been editing linked pages to add appropriately labeled graphics and in some cases I have had to create entirely new pages to use for illustration (like Nebris (mythology)) so it has taken me a little longer to complete it than I anticipated. I also plan to add more terms as time permits from other academic texts on Roman culture but wanted to get the "core" from my translation input first. I have clarified the description to define the glossary as terms used by academics studying Roman history and archaeologists excavating Roman sites. I hope this is what you had in mind. Mharrsch (talk) 14:32, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hercules and Achelous?

Who says that the new image at Hercules is Hercules and Achelous? I think we need a source for that caption. Paul August ☎ 18:38, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Paul, I have added the sculptor's name and date of production to the image. The sculpture was part of a touring exhibit, Gods and Heroes: Masterpieces from the École des Beaux-Arts, Paris. The image used was photographed by the Spanish Wikimedia Commons contributor at The Louvre. There are other images of the sculpture taken at various museums including the Portland Art Museum in 2015 with the full title and attribution. Other images of it appear on the Wikipedia page for its French sculptor François Joseph Bosio. Mharrsch (talk) 14:24, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Great thanks. But I still think we should cite a source which says these figures are Hercules and Achelous. I found this: [1] I'm assuming this is an official Louvre site, which is probably good enough. I'll add it. Paul August ☎ 15:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Sure! Thanks, Paul! Mharrsch (talk) 20:35, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

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Links corrected! Mharrsch (talk) 18:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

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Anthony-Maria Browne, 2nd Viscount Montagu

Hi there! How did you determine which brother is Anthony Maria Browne (here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anthony-Maria_Browne,_2nd_Viscount_Montagu&diff=1024954213&oldid=1024196489&diffmode=source)?

The Browne Brothers, 1598 (gouache & w/c on vellum)

I found this website: https://www.bridgemanimages.com/en/oliver/the-browne-brothers-1598-gouache-w-c-on-vellum/gouache-and-watercolour-on-vellum-on-card/asset/1008 with "Description L to R: John Browne, Anthony Maria Browne (1573/4-1629), William Browne; grandsons of Anthony Browne, 1st Viscount Montague who was implicated in the Ridolfi Plot in 1571."

And here: https://collections.burghley.co.uk/collection/the-three-brothers-browne-by-isaac-oliver-signed-with-monogram-inscribed-and-dated-1598/ “The Three Brothers Browne” representing Anthony Maria, later 2nd Viscount Montague (1574-1629), flanked by his younger brothers John and William, shown standing full length with interlocking arms, wearing black doublets, breeches, hose and hats, white lace collars, gold chains and belts, an unidentified gentleman, wearing a striped grey and white costume and lace ruff, carrying his hat in his right hand, entering into the grey painted panelled chamber to sinister." 91.54.3.217 (talk) 00:33, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm afraid I simply don't remember anymore. I must have obtained the image from an online source providing the caption. Mharrsch (talk) 20:43, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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